ProudtobeaBrummie Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 Is there a way to site to view clubs assets ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldRacer Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 Clubs can't own the rights to out of contract riders - it's illegal! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 But they do! Only country that does! ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingbee Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 But they do! Only country that does! ! You could call it a promoters agreement among clubs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudtobeaBrummie Posted December 3, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 Take it no one is going to answer my question . Speedway fans are fecking a holes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 (edited) Take it no one is going to answer my question . Speedway fans are fecking a holes  No there isn't.  ...and yes they are ... Edited December 3, 2017 by Alan Jones 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 Take it no one is going to answer my question . Speedway fans are fecking a holes  I don't know no. So that must make me an a hole, like you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 (edited) Take it no one is going to answer my question . Speedway fans are fecking a holes  Are you for real? You ask a question and just over an hour later you call speedway fans names because no one online in that hour has the answer or read the thread. And your short sentence isnt even readable.  Idiot in the extreme. Edited December 3, 2017 by Steve Shovlar 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCOGNITO Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 It's not so much owning the rider but owning their registration to the league. Poole own considerably more than they need and could probably run three or four teams but obviously get a loan fee when they are used by other British clubs. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted December 3, 2017 Report Share Posted December 3, 2017 It's not so much owning the rider but owning their registration to the league. Poole own considerably more than they need and could probably run three or four teams but obviously get a loan fee when they are used by other British clubs. Not going to get much for Jason Crump, Dakota North, Maciej Janowski et al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 (edited) I'm sure I've read somewhere recently - probably in the Speedway Star - that someone in authority is stating that clubs should be encouraged to increase their asset lists!!? Edited December 4, 2017 by Skidder1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 (edited) Is there a way to site to view clubs assets ? Â Â Take it no one is going to answer my question . Speedway fans are fecking a holes Aren't you a nice bundle of joy? Â I have tried (and I'll be honest failed) to keep up with riders parent clubs on speedway-stats.co.uk. It gets very difficult with all the young British riding in the NL though, God knows who owns half of them! Â On that note, I'm happy to create a page that lists all riders and their parents clubs if theres any interest. And would be happy to update any that are wrong if someone wants to let me know of any mistakes/changes. Edited December 4, 2017 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 I'm sure I've read somewhere recently - probably in the Speedway Star - that someone in authority is stating that clubs should be encouraged to increase their asset lists!!? Â Probably in the Kings Bible, or your Lord Matt Ford's biography. In the plight of everyone trying to make the sport more sustainably, having this asset scenario is against everybody's idea of reality, and a cost that nobody wants to pay. Riders are their own person and will do as they think fit. Any control of these assets is for person financial gain and has no relevance to the Sport. Years ago when riders rode for one club, having a control of that rider was beneficial. But today, when riders race for numerous clubs, it breaks every law of the land, and only remains in place because the sport's governing body is made up of those people with them assets and others too weak to contest the rules........ Â Again the survival of the sport is of secondary importance to personal gain....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianbuck Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 The asset system is a total nonsense. Every club wishing to join the Premiership League is obliged to have a fixed value of rider "assets" before they can be considered for membership. I once had a sight of Birmingham's asset list and it included names like Charlie Venegas, Charles Ermolenko, Steve Mann etc. Clearly all of these riders have a nominal value even though none are ever likely to ride in Britain again in the future, so in reality, the whole thing is meaningless. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poole keith Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 investing in rider assets might prove not to be the cleverest medium to long term financial strategy,remember that little known belgium footballer who totally changed the football world? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 When they become 'assets' do riders get a 'signing on fee'? Â If so, maybe not wanting to pay that back means they stay as an 'asset' for teams that they will never ride for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCOGNITO Posted December 9, 2017 Report Share Posted December 9, 2017 When they become 'assets' do riders get a 'signing on fee'? If so, maybe not wanting to pay that back means they stay as an 'asset' for teams that they will never ride for? A new asset that hasn't ridden here before certainly gets a fee as no transfer was used but most riders get a signing on fee that helps them set up for the season.  Having an asset can be a plus as you get first chance to talk to them or you get a loan fee. I remember Wolverhampton paid £18,000 for Nicki Pedersen from Newcastle and since he left the club as a rider they got more than that back from loan fees which was usually done according to their averages so the higher the average the higher the loan fee was.  Now with only eight tracks in the top flight assets aren't much of a bonus as they want to race and will take on most offers where as in the past riders didn't want to ride for certain tracks for various reasons 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agrotron Posted December 9, 2017 Report Share Posted December 9, 2017 The whole asset thing is a farce and should be scrapped Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMungo Posted December 16, 2017 Report Share Posted December 16, 2017 On 12/3/2017 at 5:38 PM, ProudtobeaBrummie said: Is there a way to site to view clubs assets ? Not officially as far as I know, but there was a thread where @2ndbendbeerhut listed the assets of the then EL clubs. Granted it's a few years out of date now, but is probably a good starting point. Assets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy jimmy Posted December 29, 2017 Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 Under the Bosman rule, riders should be able to move around clubs without any loan fee, I guess it hasn't been challenged yet, but it makes the Asset base redundant 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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