norbold Posted July 29, 2018 Report Share Posted July 29, 2018 Let's face it, none of the riders in the final yesterday are likely to trouble the likes of Tai, Magic, Emil, Freddie or Bartosz very much next year, which is why they are in the qualifiers and not the GP. So we are really only looking for riders who might just make the top eight and all of those who qualified might just make that. But they have all qualified properly and the only way to overcome the "problem" would be to do away with the qualifiers altogether, which I guess not many here would agree with as we would then have to rely on picks, and who would be picked in their place? Again I can't see many riders outside the top 8 likely to challenge the top 5 or 6 at the moment. The alternative really is to encourage younger riders in order to give them the experience. Maybe bring back the automatic qualification for the Under 21 Champion? And/or reserve a couple of places for under 25s? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarkens Posted July 29, 2018 Report Share Posted July 29, 2018 1 hour ago, OveFundinFan said: 2011 in the GP's Kolodjei scored 50 and come 14th, Artum Laguta was 15th with 28. do you keep misspelling his last name on purpose or what's that about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted July 29, 2018 Report Share Posted July 29, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, phillipsr said: Terrible result for the SGPs (and no better if Cook had beaten Lindback) meeting was full of riders either past there best (Iversen, Janus, Lindback) not good enough (Cook, Smolinkski) and not quite ready yet (Lambert)... only two riders from this meeting who would of made any sort of impression in next years SGP were Zagar and Pawlicki... What's your answer to this outcome ? The series is there for a reason. Edited July 29, 2018 by Mark 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted July 29, 2018 Report Share Posted July 29, 2018 36 minutes ago, Mark said: What's your answer to this outcome ? The series is there for a reason. Personally id go top 10.... and 5 picks 1 of which is offered to the World U21 but i know alot will hate that idea... more often than not 9 and 10 get wildcards anyway and then 5 places would allow both injury and fresh blood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted July 29, 2018 Report Share Posted July 29, 2018 14 minutes ago, phillipsr said: Personally id go top 10.... and 5 picks 1 of which is offered to the World U21 but i know alot will hate that idea... more often than not 9 and 10 get wildcards anyway and then 5 places would allow both injury and fresh blood I don't like that. RIders should be allowed to qualify under there own steam. Not rely on picks which are open to all sorts of bad stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted July 29, 2018 Report Share Posted July 29, 2018 Doyle. Is currently outside top 8,given his injuries and lack of top form this year he might required a wild card!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted July 29, 2018 Report Share Posted July 29, 2018 18 minutes ago, Mark said: I don't like that. RIders should be allowed to qualify under there own steam. Not rely on picks which are open to all sorts of bad stuff. I did say many wouldnt... and there we have the issue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navigator1900 Posted July 29, 2018 Report Share Posted July 29, 2018 IMO it was a suspense meeting. Kolodzej next year don‘t underestimate him. His riding last night compared to Zagar, Kasprzak lr Milik was outstanding. JK a worthy winner of the Challenge. It was a gaters paradise, but still a better meeting than SGP Horsens ... Iversen still going strong, when you saw how Lindbäck rode in his first two heats, and latter how he could beat Cook in the runoff, I loved that. Fricke was unlucky but a promise for the future. And I still think, German GP should be better in Landshut than Teterow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCOGNITO Posted July 29, 2018 Report Share Posted July 29, 2018 There were quite a few from this line up that could have been a top three finisher but in the end we see three former GP riders back in the series and all in their thirties. Kolodiej is still a strong rider and on a par with Zagar but Iversen and Lindback should be outside the top eight and will have the odd meeting where they don't struggle. Was hoping Pawlicki, Fricke and Lambert could have made it but by all reports it was very much a gathers track and seen a few heats on social media and looked to be a gathers paradise mostly which is a shame for such an important meeting. Only one GB rider next year or will Lambert get a wild card ? Hope now Kolodiej is in that they still consider Hampel returning as only injury has kept him away or even Drabik up for a wild card. See who finishes top eight but think the current top eight will remain top eight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted July 29, 2018 Report Share Posted July 29, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, tarkens said: do you keep misspelling his last name on purpose or what's that about? The important thing is..... you knew who I meant. ………. Janusz Kołodziej (cut & paste so that's cheating ) Edited July 29, 2018 by OveFundinFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted July 29, 2018 Report Share Posted July 29, 2018 It's too early to talk about Wild Cards, but rest assured if Doyle doesn't make the top 8 he, as a recent World Champion, he would be a near on guaranteed choice you could find...... Usually the Wild Cards are normally use to give excising riders another chance. Very seldom do they use the opportunity to bring in new blood.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted July 29, 2018 Report Share Posted July 29, 2018 6 hours ago, INCOGNITO said: Only one GB rider next year or will Lambert get a wild card ? Hope now Kolodiej is in that they still consider Hampel returning as only injury has kept him away or even Drabik up for a wild card. See who finishes top eight but think the current top eight will remain top eight I doubt that Hampel is even remotely considered for a wild card. With Kolodziej and Janowski (unless long term injured) already safe for 2019 the only way they hand out a wild card to a Polish rider is if Dudek misses out on top 8 and then it'll be Dudek who gets the wild card. Heat 21 from yesterday:https://www.facebook.com/speedwaylive.hu/videos/10156627608848824/UzpfSTIyNTIzNzkwNzc2OToxMDE1NjUwMjI5NjYwNzc3MA/ A few more heats can be found at Speedway live's facebook page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted July 30, 2018 Report Share Posted July 30, 2018 (edited) 10 hours ago, Ghostwalker said: Heat 21 from yesterday:https://www.facebook.com/speedwaylive.hu/videos/10156627608848824/UzpfSTIyNTIzNzkwNzc2OToxMDE1NjUwMjI5NjYwNzc3MA/ A few more heats can be found at Speedway live's facebook page. I watched the whole meeting live on Saturday via this guy's Facebook page ... If you go through his posts it is all here ...Great stuff https://m.facebook.com/dmclmotoclub/ Edited July 30, 2018 by Grand Central Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCOGNITO Posted July 30, 2018 Report Share Posted July 30, 2018 12 hours ago, Ghostwalker said: I doubt that Hampel is even remotely considered for a wild card. With Kolodziej and Janowski (unless long term injured) already safe for 2019 the only way they hand out a wild card to a Polish rider is if Dudek misses out on top 8 and then it'll be Dudek who gets the wild card. Heat 21 from yesterday:https://www.facebook.com/speedwaylive.hu/videos/10156627608848824/UzpfSTIyNTIzNzkwNzc2OToxMDE1NjUwMjI5NjYwNzc3MA/ A few more heats can be found at Speedway live's facebook page. There is no limit to the number of riders allowed from one country and Kolodiej Zmarzlik Janowski are pretty safe and I think Dudek would finish top eight or get a wild card. Hampel however finished second to Woffinden and only injury has stopped him being in the series since. With the the money and sponsors in the Series heavily coming from Polish connections, he should be up there for consideration along with Drabik who will no doubt be World U21 Champion again. Having five quality riders from one country would be fine and would certainly think Hampel is deserving a wild card as much as those also on the list. Nicki Pedersen maybe the pantomime villan but hasn't shown much in the GPs for some time, Holder the same in many ways and Zagar usually has a run of results to keep him in contention but so far his best score is just nine points in Warsaw. Doyle will get a wild card for sure but Cook, Pawlicki and Vaculik unlikely to be back. So four wild cards would be Doyle for sure, then it's who deserves it the most from Holder, Pedersen, Zagar, Hampel, Drabik or Leon Madsen who is possibly the best rider at the moment not in the GP series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted July 30, 2018 Report Share Posted July 30, 2018 7 minutes ago, INCOGNITO said: There is no limit to the number of riders allowed from one country and Kolodiej Zmarzlik Janowski are pretty safe and I think Dudek would finish top eight or get a wild card. Hampel however finished second to Woffinden and only injury has stopped him being in the series since. With the the money and sponsors in the Series heavily coming from Polish connections, he should be up there for consideration along with Drabik who will no doubt be World U21 Champion again. Having five quality riders from one country would be fine and would certainly think Hampel is deserving a wild card as much as those also on the list. Nicki Pedersen maybe the pantomime villan but hasn't shown much in the GPs for some time, Holder the same in many ways and Zagar usually has a run of results to keep him in contention but so far his best score is just nine points in Warsaw. Doyle will get a wild card for sure but Cook, Pawlicki and Vaculik unlikely to be back. So four wild cards would be Doyle for sure, then it's who deserves it the most from Holder, Pedersen, Zagar, Hampel, Drabik or Leon Madsen who is possibly the best rider at the moment not in the GP series. I don't think they want too many from 1 country in the GPs,as Ghostie say's.There might not be a written limit,but I am sure there is one in peoples thoughts As for Madsen,it is a no-goer really as has been mentioned often enough.He has no real backing in Denmark.Was 2010 the last time(the only time)he received a wild card in the Danish GP?And has no big fan base.Has never qualified for the GPs and looks like it will be another couple of years before he gets his next chance...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Carter Posted July 30, 2018 Report Share Posted July 30, 2018 Would any rider outside the current SGP series really benefit the competition? I don't see anyone who would really come in and challenge the top 6. Potentially Madsen but he hasn't done anything in the SEC that makes you think he could mix it with the very best I think JK will do well (7th to 11th place). NKI and AL its harder to make a case for based on 2018 league form but you would hope having gone through the effort to qualify they will up their game in 2019. Obviously very talented riders who have both won GP's. Also don't forget Lindback's heroic performances in the 2017 speedway world cup where he single handedly took it to the Poles. There is a good rider under there! One last point Hampel. Got to feel for the guy. So unlucky with injuries. Hopefully he might get one more shot at the SGP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted July 30, 2018 Report Share Posted July 30, 2018 There can be up to 12 Polish/any one nation riders in the GP if theyre there on merit/qualified. But honestly, cant see it happening that they would give a wild card for any fifth rider or even a fourth. Fourth might have happened, but fifth no way. There’s no point in doing so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted July 30, 2018 Report Share Posted July 30, 2018 50 minutes ago, James Carter said: One last point Hampel. Got to feel for the guy. So unlucky with injuries. Hopefully he might get one more shot at the SGP I hope so too, but only by qualifying. Not by having a "pick" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCOGNITO Posted July 30, 2018 Report Share Posted July 30, 2018 15 minutes ago, waytogo28 said: I hope so too, but only by qualifying. Not by having a "pick" But he only went out of series due to injuries Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Carter Posted July 30, 2018 Report Share Posted July 30, 2018 20 minutes ago, waytogo28 said: I hope so too, but only by qualifying. Not by having a "pick" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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