stevebrum Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 Has the 2 Brit rule (or 2 riders who qualify or rode NL) still apply as many say its been abolished ?? No firm rules on what SGP riders who didn't ride here in 2017 will be given (many say its been decided at 9) CVS confirmed the 2 Brit rule has been abolished (and added it was the wrong decision, particularly in the 2nd tier) and that GP riders or those who missed 2017 like Tai, Pawlicki(s), Zagar would return as a 9. No clarification for those not GP standard like Woryna and the new Pole at Leicester on their averages but they were waiting for final clarification on averages. So things yet might still, change, only in British Speedway. If Holder is being reassessed, then so should Doyle and Lindgren. Holder has an average. There is no reason to reassess him. His average is not from the old format. Agree completely. It's unfair to alter Holder without altering Fred and Jason. Holder had a poor season in the UK and GP series. His average reflects that. No way should we make an exception to give one rider a new average because it would appear too low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattfordfan Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 (edited) . Edited November 30, 2017 by Matt Ford Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 No clarification for those not GP standard like Woryna GP standard Woryna. Your delusional. 1 good season and now he's a GP standard rider. Nick Morris had a great 2017 season. Does that make him a GP standard rider as well? Your so bitter. Can't you read??? Just in case you have trouble read the line I've quoted for you above. I'll await your apology for getting your facts wrong. The only bitter one here is you in thinking Woryna doesn't count as a rider not being regrading. If you have a sensible logic I'd love to hear it. until then I await your apology if you want to continue a reasonable discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattfordfan Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 (edited) Can't you read??? Just in case you have trouble read the line I've quoted for you above. I'll await your apology for getting your facts wrong. The only bitter one here is you in thinking Woryna doesn't count as a rider not being regrading. If you have a sensible logic I'd love to hear it. until then I await your apology if you want to continue a reasonable discussion. Fair enough I read your post wrong but Woryna should be a 4.65 because that's the average he achieved in Britain. Edited November 30, 2017 by Matt Ford Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 And some people still think averages work for the benefit of British speedway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 If Holder is being reassessed, then so should Doyle and Lindgren. Holder has an average. There is no reason to reassess him. His average is not from the old format. For me, any current or previous year GP rider should have a minimum average of 8. The fact that they are GP standard should overrule any lower average that they get. Chris Holder’s current average has several explanations, none of which fairly makes him a true 7.16 standard rider for next season. This season’s personal issues and unhappiness at Kings Lynn (whether intentional “average dropping” or not) should not allow a team to take advantage of that next season. A minimum 8 rule would not affect those who achieved more, such as Doyle and Lindgren. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 Fair enough I read your post wrong but Woryna should be a 4.65 because that's the average he achieved in Britain. But if the BSPA are reassessing ALL riders who didn't ride here in 2017 then it's unlikely he will stay at 4.65. That's the only point I was trying to make. And that isn't an anti Poole stance in the slightest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattfordfan Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 But if the BSPA are reassessing ALL riders who didn't ride here in 2017 then it's unlikely he will stay at 4.65. That's the only point I was trying to make. And that isn't an anti Poole stance in the slightest. I don't know why anyone is being reassessed. Woffinden shouldn't Pawlicki shouldn't Zagar shouldn't and neither should Woryna. Its a different set up over here and they achieved those averages. The whole thing is silly tbh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 I don't know why anyone is being reassessed. Woffinden shouldn't Pawlicki shouldn't Zagar shouldn't and neither should Woryna. Its a different set up over here and they achieved those averages. The whole thing is silly tbh The 2017 league was significantly weaker than in previous years. Therefore it makes perfect sense to reassess any rider who didn't ride in 2017. Personally it should be done on a calculated percentage, rather than an arbitrary value, but something is better than nothing. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 I don't know why anyone is being reassessed. Woffinden shouldn't Pawlicki shouldn't Zagar shouldn't and neither should Woryna. Its a different set up over here and they achieved those averages. The whole thing is silly tbh God you talk such utter crap... No doubt Matt Ford, the man you place on a mantel, is so ashamed of the association you have bestowed with him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 Whatever the reasons, good or bad about this decision, once again its the timing that stinks and just howls of petty self interest. When the Agm decisions where announced, specifically the 1 over 8 why wasnt the GP 9 point rule announced at the same time? There had been lots of tweets from the top lads saying they werent interested in a UK ride or they had signed up for foreign leagues with the spectre of the Polish ruling hanging over them, so why would you give it any thought. Then Zagar tweets about wanting to return. Think where he was likely to go and you get the sole reason for this hasty rewrite 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 Whatever the reasons, good or bad about this decision, once again its the timing that stinks and just howls of petty self interest. When the Agm decisions where announced, specifically the 1 over 8 why wasnt the GP 9 point rule announced at the same time? There had been lots of tweets from the top lads saying they werent interested in a UK ride or they had signed up for foreign leagues with the spectre of the Polish ruling hanging over them, so why would you give it any thought. Then Zagar tweets about wanting to return. Think where he was likely to go and you get the sole reason for this hasty rewrite This is a good point actually. Nothing was mentioned about this until Zagar said that he wanted to ride here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 Whatever the reasons, good or bad about this decision, once again its the timing that stinks and just howls of petty self interest. When the Agm decisions where announced, specifically the 1 over 8 why wasnt the GP 9 point rule announced at the same time? There had been lots of tweets from the top lads saying they werent interested in a UK ride or they had signed up for foreign leagues with the spectre of the Polish ruling hanging over them, so why would you give it any thought. Then Zagar tweets about wanting to return. Think where he was likely to go and you get the sole reason for this hasty rewrite Almost right, Piort Pawlicki had also been in contact with Wolverhampton about a return too. It's stated on another thread that CVS stated that Matt Ford was the driving force behind the 9pt rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 Almost right, Piort Pawlicki had also been in contact with Wolverhampton about a return too. It's stated on another thread that CVS stated that Matt Ford was the driving force behind the 9pt rule. Of course he was; so he can get his annual advantage, fiddling Holder in on 7.16. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 Almost right, Piort Pawlicki had also been in contact with Wolverhampton about a return too. Was this made public prior to the rewrite via social media or in the press? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattfordfan Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 God you talk such utter crap... No doubt Matt Ford, the man you place on a mantel, is so ashamed of the association you have bestowed with him Did those riders ride in Britain - YES Did they end up with a certain average based on points scored - YES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 Was this made public prior to the rewrite via social media or in the press? Not sure, but it makes perfect sense. You can be sure Ford would have been aware of it though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamish McRaker Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 So here's how it should work. The cunning plan. Doyle, Lindgren (?) and Bjerre, the three wise men, toddle off in a nice orderly fashion and sign for Somerset, or Kings Lynn, or Rye House. Those splendid people who now own Leicester have already sorted themselves out, so whew, chaps, no need for them to have any favours granted,which is just as well. But what's this?? The three wise men don't really fancy hanging around these isles any more, say it's not top of their Christmas list. Oh, bu**er. Having done the decent thing, Leicester now get thwocked over the head with a heavy frying pan as their reward, with Mr Vaculik being penalised for being GP rider, heinous crime that it is. And news also comes through that the planes carrying Woffinden and Zagar have been turned away from UK airspace as they are now classed as undesirables. Over at BT towers, talks are going on about the TV deal for 2018. "Is this right Mr Russell, this top league is losing three of it's top riders, and is stopping two more from coming back?" " Maybe, but there's Vaculik, Cook, Holder (maybe) and, err....well, there's Harris and Nicholls and Kasprzak, they used to be in the GP's of course." Meanwhile in the areas around The Wash and The Somerset Levels, the water levels are rising and the lifeboats are on standby..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 Of course he was; so he can get his annual advantage, fiddling Holder in on 7.16. Holder didn't fiddle his average he was terrible all season everywhere not just here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 Didnt Holder only complete 9 league meetings for the stars, out of 28? If he aint reassessed then its bent. Going off previous, he wont be reassessed. If a sport is bent, why bother? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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