Alan_Jones Posted February 24, 2018 Report Share Posted February 24, 2018 33 minutes ago, Stainlesssteelride said: The rule used to be no riders above 6 in top league can double unless they already had a lower league average. This year's was no rider above 6 can double unless already has a lower league average. Looks the same to me. No, it used be that no rider with a top league average over 6 could ride in the lower league at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stainlesssteelride Posted February 24, 2018 Report Share Posted February 24, 2018 (edited) You sure??? What was Cooks and Kings average in top league in 2016 then?? Correct over 6. Edited February 24, 2018 by Stainlesssteelride Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comet49 Posted February 24, 2018 Report Share Posted February 24, 2018 The difference seems to be that they were already 2nd tier riders and not one wanting to drop down, not having ridden there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stainlesssteelride Posted February 24, 2018 Report Share Posted February 24, 2018 That's what I said...but Alan says no..but proof says otherwise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted February 24, 2018 Report Share Posted February 24, 2018 1 hour ago, Stainlesssteelride said: That's what I said...but Alan says no..but proof says otherwise Sloppy posting on my part. I was talking about riders dropping down who, until last season's change, wouldn't have had a 2nd division average and therefore wouldn't have been allowed. As far as being the same rule goes, the wording has changed with nearly every issue in the last few years so little wonder that everyone struggles to keep up, although last year's free for all was the major cock up which caused the situation of the last few months. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 So the BSPA/SCB have decided a riders average can not prevent him riding for a lower league team. What’s to stop a team building to 50 or 60 points now then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandit59 Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 Think the name of this thread should be changed now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 40 minutes ago, SCB said: So the BSPA/SCB have decided a riders average can not prevent him riding for a lower league team. What’s to stop a team building to 50 or 60 points now then? Because team building points limits apply to every team and are lawful. The 'ruling' preventing Scotty and Eddie from doubling down was NOT LAWFUL ... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soupy Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 23 minutes ago, Bandit59 said: Think the name of this thread should be changed now Have they now done a u turn again lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 1 hour ago, SCB said: So the BSPA/SCB have decided a riders average can not prevent him riding for a lower league team. What’s to stop a team building to 50 or 60 points now then? I think the difference is team points limits are reasonable and fair across the board. Its rules that only effect some riders and not everyone that they take issue with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 4 hours ago, blupanther said: Because team building points limits apply to every team and are lawful. The 'ruling' preventing Scotty and Eddie from doubling down was NOT LAWFUL ... Every rider who’s average is over 6 and doesn’t have a Championship can’t drop down. It’s no different. This is a can of worms. Next year when Poole want to sign a rider over the points limit and that riders gets Scott Nicholls solicitor on th case I trust all Peterborough fans will back the move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, bigcatdiary said: I think the difference is team points limits are reasonable and fair across the board. Its rules that only effect some riders and not everyone that they take issue with. So if Poole have 6.00 left and they want to sign Ncott Sicholls who’s average is 6.8 how is it any different? They have an arbitrary 6 points left and so can’t fit in a 6.8 rider. Edited February 25, 2018 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, SCB said: Every rider who’s average is over 6 and doesn’t have a Championship can’t drop down. It’s no different. This is a can of worms. Next year when Poole want to sign a rider over the points limit and that riders gets Scott Nicholls solicitor on th case I trust all Peterborough fans will back the move. I'm sure most fans would oppose anything that is unlawful... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, SCB said: So if Poole have 6.00 left and they want to sign Ncott Sicholls who’s average is 6.8 how is it any different? They have an arbitrary 6 points left and so can’t fit in a 6.8 rider. The two cases are entirely different. One was found to be unlawful, and the other isn't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, Tsunami said: The two cases are entirely different. One was found to be unlawful, and the other isn't. The only reason the points limit hasn’t been found illegal is because nobody has taken it to court yet. But having seen this example you really don’t think someone will? Also is this a first, Tsunami not siding with the BSPA?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, blupanther said: I'm sure most fans would oppose anything that is unlawful... That’s good. End of the asset system and the points limit in the next 12 months then? Lead by Ged and Scott in their quest for fairness, obviously. Out of curiosity, can Jason Doyle double up now? Or Tai Woffinden? Or Greg Hancock? Edited February 25, 2018 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 5 minutes ago, SCB said: That’s good. End of the asset system and the points limit in the next 12 months then? Lead by Ged and Scott in their quest for fairness, obviously. Out of curiosity, can Jason Doyle double up now? Or Tai Woffinden? Or Greg Hancock? Doyle - no Hancock - no Woffy - yes Re the points limit my take is that it would only be illegal if it was set differently for different teams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 5 minutes ago, SCB said: The only reason the points limit hasn’t been found illegal is because nobody has taken it to court yet. But having seen this example you really don’t think someone will? Also is this a first, Tsunami not siding with the BSPA?! Rubbish. It is an arbitrary limit on team strength, and anybody could be signed to make a team within that limit. No restraint of trade in any way. If it was illegal it would mean every rider without a team could sue for not being chosen to ride. Don't get on here much lately then. There is more on here that wouldn't agree with any decision the BSPA made, even if the idea was a good decision like the points system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All4back Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 5 minutes ago, SCB said: That’s good. End of the asset system and the points limit in the next 12 months then? Lead by Ged and Scott in their quest for fairness, obviously. Out of curiosity, can Jason Doyle double up now? Or Tai Woffinden? Or Greg Hancock? "an agreement was reached allowing further opportunities for the use of "home grown" riders" From Fridays press release. Guess Tai can Jason and Greg can't, but of course that is subject to any legal action that may be pursued Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 11 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: Doyle - no Hancock - no Woffy - yes Re the points limit my take is that it would only be illegal if it was set differently for different teams Isn’t there a glaring contradiction in your post? Points limit only illegal if it’s different from different teams but some riders can double up but not others? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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