Mattfordfan Posted November 22, 2017 Report Share Posted November 22, 2017 (edited) He's not a Poole fan, he's never even been there. He's just a wind-up merchant. Ok mystic meg. So why would Matt Ford state publicly yesterday that the '8 and over' rule was agreed so that the SGBP could ensure 'the likes of Somerset could get a strong number one'!!? ps. Woryna should be 4.65 as that was his final 2016 average. Doesn't mean Somerset will actually sign a No.1. I think they will in Nick Morris but he's not exactly a No.1 Edited November 22, 2017 by Poole Pirates Fanatic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted November 22, 2017 Report Share Posted November 22, 2017 This is exactly the sort of thinking that causes the problem. It's is nonsensical that riders can put themselves out of a team, and possibly the league, by riding well. Nick Morris, as an example, has ridden for Swindon for years. Why should he risk getting chucked out of the league just because he has his best year? And is his average of over 8 really make him more number one material than someone like Woffinden or Zagar? As a number one his average is likely to drop, so would anyone sign him? Plus all teams have a pretty low limit to build to in order to keep things relatively even. Personally I think a team like that would be box office gold whenever they visited the clubs who couldn't afford a team like that. Would you really not want to go and watch that side on your home track? No I wouldn't. I want to see close meetings, not one sided processions. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted November 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2017 No I wouldn't. I want to see close meetings, not one sided processions. Fair enough. I bet you they'd still attract the largest crowd of the season, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted November 22, 2017 Report Share Posted November 22, 2017 Maybe they would attract some but probably only once! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noggin Posted November 22, 2017 Report Share Posted November 22, 2017 You could just as easily argue that the three who voted for more than one did so to give themselves unfair advantage. Build to 42.5 how you see fit, some want two @8+ others may go with 2 higher averaged reserves. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted November 22, 2017 Report Share Posted November 22, 2017 So why would Matt Ford state publicly yesterday that the '8 and over' rule was agreed so that the SGBP could ensure 'the likes of Somerset could get a strong number one'!!? ps. Woryna should be 4.65 as that was his final 2016 average. It's just like the big league in 1995 trying to get top teams to give up a top rider, to ensure that the lower teams could compete across the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayleigh Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 Having taking another look at the strange rule of "only one rider above 8" given the change is Tack Sub, under the new rule your top three riders can have 17 of the 30 rides in a meeting whereas the double points rule the top three riders can have only 14. This would only encourage teams to employ 3 no 1 riders instead of a balanced side. This just maybe the first mildly sensible move by the BSPA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 Max will be 15 rides for top3 as there will be only 1 use of tac sub allowed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Jasper Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 This is the problem that speedway has, it constantly refers to the lowest common denominator which does not allow teams to grow and prosper, which then leads to crowds dropping etc... Crowds would improve all around if teams were able to track riders for more than one season, kids then become attached to said riders, have a favourite rider, want to attend to see said fave rider... As it is now, kids see a rider for a year, then they have to go elsewhere... 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWC Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 This is the problem that speedway has, it constantly refers to the lowest common denominator which does not allow teams to grow and prosper, which then leads to crowds dropping etc... Crowds would improve all around if teams were able to track riders for more than one season, kids then become attached to said riders, have a favourite rider, want to attend to see said fave rider... As it is now, kids see a rider for a year, then they have to go elsewhere.... Its more to do with averages and money these days. Football has gone the same way wont be many statues erected for players in the future unless 2 or 3 seasons qualifies them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 As they didn't break any rules, no they're not cheats! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 It's just like the big league in 1995 trying to get top teams to give up a top rider, to ensure that the lower teams could compete across the team. But riders still need to be paid mate.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 (edited) There will still be 2 point wobblers as the middle order will be jam packed with 5-7.5ish riders. Swindon, Poole & Wolverhampton have never, ever voted with the interests of their club secondary to the best interests of the league, have they? Edited November 23, 2017 by Col Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 As they didn't break any rules, no they're not cheats! That's what Poole fans have been saying for years - but no one believes them! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noggin Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 Cheated themselves more like, as Swindon and wolves could theoretically build stronger teams without these oh so dangerous 8+ riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner85 Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 If the BT deal is as poor as has been suggested the one 8 point man is a means of reducing the wage bill overall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 That's what Poole fans have been saying for years - but no one believes them! No one other than some bitter Swindon fans believes they are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solrac Posted November 25, 2017 Report Share Posted November 25, 2017 Answering the tread title. No. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted November 26, 2017 Report Share Posted November 26, 2017 Cheating clubs out of 8 point riders to give themselves an unfair advantage? Cheating fans of seeing riders that have remained loyal to the team they support riding for them? Cheating riders out of work if they don't, then, sign one of the 8 pointers themselves? Cheating by voting for an average cut-off above that of their own heatleaders so that they don't have to lose any of their own riders under their new rule? Or are they voting for the good of the sport as a whole by.... er.... nope, can't think of a reason how that can be the case, but maybe there is one? Do you actually know how each club voted? Anyway someone posted a list the other day of all the top internationals who would come in under eight. We don't actually owe riders work, anyone with an eight point average will already be earning far more than any of us, just riding in Poland or Sweden, with the possible exception of Craig Cook. Speaking of him, I think all the British riders should be signed up first, before we start bringing in overseas riders, look after and prioritise our own. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruiser McHuge Posted November 27, 2017 Report Share Posted November 27, 2017 Should be a points limit and it's up to the club how they reach that limit...one 8 point rider is frankly ridiculous in my opinion and another nail in speedways coffin. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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