Mattfordfan Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 (edited) BELLE VUE 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. Team Total: 00.00 Remaining: 42.50 KING'S LYNN 1. Thomas Jorgensen 5.93 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. Team Total: 05.93 Remaining: 36.57 LEICESTER 1. Martin Vaculik ?.?? 2. Krystian Pieszczek ?.?? 3. Danny King 6.66 4. Josh Bates 5.52 5. Kyle Newman 4.86 6. 7. Team Total: ??.?? Remaining: ??.?? POOLE 1. Brady Kurtz 8.08 2. Josh Grajczonek 7.34 3. Kacper Woryna 4.65 4. Mateusz Szczepaniak 4.54 5. 6. 7. Team Total: 24.61 Remaining: 17.89 RYE HOUSE 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. Team Total: 00.00 Remaining: 42.50 SOMERSET 1. Richard Lawson 6.43 2. Jack Holder 5.82 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. Team Total: 12.25 Remaining: 30.25 SWINDON 1. Nick Morris 8.87 2. Troy Batchelor 7.63 3. David Bellego 7.37 4. Tobiasz Musielak 7.37 5. Adam Ellis 5.56 6. Zach Wajtknecht 3.21 7. Team Total: 40.01 Remaining: 02.49 WOLVERHAMPTON 1. Jacob Thorssell 8.64 2. Sam Masters 7.92 3. Rory Schlein 7.72 4. Kyle Howarth 6.64 5. Cameron Heeps 5.25 6. Ashley Morris ?.?? 7. Nathan Greaves 2.54 Team Total: ??.?? Remaining: ??.?? Edited December 18, 2017 by Matt Ford Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 If you are quoting from the BSPA site then include Woryna for Poole (as listed). 4.65 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattfordfan Posted November 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 If you are quoting from the BSPA site then include Woryna for Poole (as listed). 4.65 Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattfordfan Posted November 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 Mods pin this topic please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunRobin Posted November 27, 2017 Report Share Posted November 27, 2017 If you are quoting from the BSPA site then include Woryna for Poole (as listed). 4.65 As there is no average listed for Woryna on the BSPA website, where do you get his average from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVEHOLS54 Posted November 27, 2017 Report Share Posted November 27, 2017 As there is no average listed for Woryna on the BSPA website, where do you get his average from? Interesting as I thought he was on there at one stage. Maybe not. I see Gomolski who only rode 4 meetings is showing his assessed GSA from 2015 as his final GSA. Who knows with the BSPA these days. I know for example a lot of the BV Forum contributors have been planning a team with Zagar in at his 2016 GSA as he wont even get into a UK team if reassessed seeing how the one over 8 rule is now applying and at least 2 riders looking for new teams. 3 if you include K.Bjerre. Although with the Polish EXL rules on 3 leagues max incl your Nationality league still not having been announced as relaxed or changed (to my knowledge) also muddys the waters even further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted November 27, 2017 Report Share Posted November 27, 2017 Zagar, Holder, Tai and any other GP rider should have an assessed minimum of 8 each season while a GP rider. Otherwise someone like Holder takes the pee at Kings Lynn and signs for Poole on a daft average. Allowing those riders as bargains to replace the likes of Bjerre, Thorsell or Morris on higher averages also penalises those three for riding in our league this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted November 27, 2017 Report Share Posted November 27, 2017 (edited) To be fair to all those riders who supported our leagues last year, all riders who didn't ride in 2017, should have their average re-accessed in keeping with the easier format that exists at present. Failing to do that would be totally wrong and show a poor regard those who did achieved decent scores,,.,, Edited December 20, 2017 by g13webb To emphasise the main point of the comment 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVEHOLS54 Posted November 27, 2017 Report Share Posted November 27, 2017 To be fair to all those riders who supported our leagues last year, all riders who didn't ride in 2017, should have their average re-accessed in keeping with the easier format that exists at present. Failing to do that would be totally wrong and show a poor regard those who did achieved decent scores,,.,, You would have thought that such a dramatic move should have been discussed and voted on at the BSPA AGM. All these promoters knew well in advance (imo) that the one over 8 rule would be voted on as well as the 42.5 limit. They should also have known that there would be plenty of promoters/riders (maybe) who would be looking to come back on their 2016 av as being the same. Also riders who rode before 2016 maybe being reassessed. So if they all know this then one questions why this has not been sorted yet. Same as what about young overseas riders under 21 who have never ridden also riders over 21 with same criteria. I find it difficult to believe that the likes of Poole and Leicester would have forked out money to sign Woryna/Vaculik/Pieszczek without having a clue which GSA they would be allocated ?? It sure doesn't help the wall of silence on any rules coming out of the BSPA are kept silent. same with what happens on the 2 riders rule who have ridden or qualify for the NL (i.e 2 Brits) that each team had to track. Plenty of comments that this rule may NOT apply any more but yet again a wall of silence from any official sources. Maybe they are still making up the rules for 2018 in which case what point of a 3 day AGM in Tenerife ??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted November 27, 2017 Report Share Posted November 27, 2017 Like you 'STEVEHOLS54' the BSPA don't fill me with a lot of confidence either.. So many years they come up with these new rules, not having thought out all of the consequences . Like you say Re-accessing riders averages should have been done way before an AGM, so when this '1over8' rule was levied all the members would all have known what the implications were.... No doubt teams want the opportunity to pick up a Woffy, or a Zagar, or a Pawlicki, or even a Lebedev on a ridiculous low average thinking it would be great. but they couldn't be more wrong. We want all teams to be treated the same and as wonderful it would be to see quality riders in our teams, it has to be done on a fair markings that represents their ability and not because of some ancient ruling... Seeing teams take advantage rigged averages, is the biggest turn off of all ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyderd Posted November 27, 2017 Report Share Posted November 27, 2017 Like you 'STEVEHOLS54' the BSPA don't fill me with a lot of confidence either.. So many years they come up with these new rules, not having thought out all of the consequences . Like you say Re-accessing riders averages should have been done way before an AGM, so when this '1over8' rule was levied all the members would all have known what the implications were.... No doubt teams want the opportunity to pick up a Woffy, or a Zagar, or a Pawlicki, or even a Lebedev on a ridiculous low average thinking it would be great. but they couldn't be more wrong. We want all teams to be treated the same and as wonderful it would be to see quality riders in our teams, it has to be done on a fair markings that represents their ability and not because of some ancient ruling... Seeing teams take advantage rigged averages, is the biggest turn off of all ..... They didn't do it in 2016 with Tai, which in all possibility cost the Aces the league title, why should we not have Zagar on the true average he got in 2016. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted November 27, 2017 Report Share Posted November 27, 2017 (edited) Howarth staying at Wolves(on BSPA site) Edited November 27, 2017 by tellboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattfordfan Posted November 27, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2017 Howarth staying at Wolves(on BSPA site) Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted November 27, 2017 Report Share Posted November 27, 2017 They didn't do it in 2016 with Tai, which in all possibility cost the Aces the league title, why should we not have Zagar on the true average he got in 2016. They wont let The Aces benefit from Zagars average. A rule WILL be put in place to stop it. Some things never change. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 They didn't do it in 2016 with Tai, which in all possibility cost the Aces the league title, why should we not have Zagar on the true average he got in 2016. Two wrongs don't make a right. Any respect I had for the BSPA went long ago. If and when they treat the Fans, and the public with the openness and transparency we deserve, then probably I will feel differently. But until then I will blame them for all the problems associated with this sport... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 Tobiasz musliak back with swindon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyderd Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 Two wrongs don't make a right. Any respect I had for the BSPA went long ago. If and when they treat the Fans, and the public with the openness and transparency we deserve, then probably I will feel differently. But until then I will blame them for all the problems associated with this sport... It's not a question of 2 wrongs making a right, the AGM is done with, new rules have been applied and should be honoured. Speedway will never move forward whilst the rules are governed by clubs own promoters 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattfordfan Posted November 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 Tobiasz musliak back with Swindon Added Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 When Poole, Wolves or whoever sign these low average ringers the statement constantly trotted out is anyone could sign them, you just need a switched on promoter. At least thats been laid to rest now as its obvious if it wasnt already that its the old boys network that allow some teams to gain an advantage and what turn out to be hollow victorys. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattfordfan Posted November 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2017 Mods we need to get this topic pinned please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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