SEC Finals - 4th round Saturday September 15th Chorzow live on Eurosport

[waytogo28]

7 hours ago, Col said:

That track made Leicester, Swindon, Vetlanda, Gdansk & Krsko look good entertainment wise.

Possibly the worst meeting ever I have sat through. What happened to "give the riders a good stage and they will put on a show"? Speedway but not speedway racing.

6 hours ago, Mark said:

The track tonight is temporary so it can be improved ???

Improved? It needs to be shelved and never laid down again despite the three-year contract there for the event. Or a new track builder who has spoken to the GP track builders. Plenty of space but no racing lines at all with gates 3 & 4 beyond "graveyard" status except on one or two memorable occasions.

But for Ruthless Robert Lambert - Onward and Upward!

[Col]

I don't suppose the details of qualifying for next years SEC are known or even rumoured yet?

[racers and royals]

5 minutes ago, Col said:

I don't suppose the details of qualifying for next years SEC are known or even rumoured yet?

Far too early.

[Col]

Assumed so. At least the BSPA have acknowledged Lambert's paricipation in the SEC this year, maybe they'll offer to host a round or qualifier.

2018 was top 5 from 2017. 6 from qualification & 4 Wildcards. Same again?

Yes, I am aware Lambert got an extra Wildcard because Laguta (podium in 2017) pulled out.

[Steve Shovlar]

What would make this event far more interesting is if the organisers arranged with BSI for the winner to get a GP wildcard. It would raise the status of the event, attract better riders and place the event in a position behind the GP series, rather than it is now which is just a hash up.

[iris123]

Has a feel of being about to collapse to me.They have been shafted and outmanouvered by BSI.Their idea of a pairs event that was in some quarters at the beginning named as a world pairs championship has been turned into some nonsense of a sponsors event with mainly minor sponsorship involved and BSI have now started their own world pairs in all but name.And then the stop on top stars entering this one has basically turned it into what it was before.A not very interesting comp.

Sadly there will be no cooperation between the two and the comps will just get worse I think if not stop altogether and that probably is down to the tv contract.If they decide to pull out then it is dead.

Edited September 16, 2018 by iris123

[Bradford Ace]

11 minutes ago, Steve Shovlar said:

What would make this event far more interesting is if the organisers arranged with BSI for the winner to get a GP wildcard. It would raise the status of the event, attract better riders and place the event in a position behind the GP series, rather than it is now which is just a hash up.

Great call that mate - I agree 100%.

Would love to see GB hosting a round next year now we seem to be getting on board with it.

Probs more chance of the NSS getting a round than they have of getting a GP.

[DSC67]

One thing I'd did like about last nights meeting was the transponder on Linbacks' bike that showed the speed he was traveling at , apart from that there was very little to get enthusiastic about 

[f-s-p]

2 hours ago, iris123 said:

Has a feel of being about to collapse to me.They have been shafted and outmanouvered by BSI.Their idea of a pairs event that was in some quarters at the beginning named as a world pairs championship has been turned into some nonsense of a sponsors event with mainly minor sponsorship involved and BSI have now started their own world pairs in all but name.And then the stop on top stars entering this one has basically turned it into what it was before.A not very interesting comp.

Sadly there will be no cooperation between the two and the comps will just get worse I think if not stop altogether and that probably is down to the tv contract.If they decide to pull out then it is dead.

FIM

[Wee Eck]

It doesn’t look like GP riders couldn’t take part as Pawlicki and Sayfutdinov were racing. 

But, I wonder, other than making money for the promoters and, I assume the riders, what’s the point of the SEC? There seems to be no kudos attached to the title and, comparing how certain riders perform in it compared to their Polish league appearances, they don’t even appear to be using their best equipment. 

Add to that the generally poor crowds - where were the alleged 30,000 spectators hiding? - and the no more than average racing, with last night being the worst of them all. 

But the great news (!) is that the promoters, One Sport, are trying to get the license for the GPs, by out bidding BSI. So we have more of the same to look forward to

[racers and royals]

8 minutes ago, Wee Eck said:

It doesn’t look like GP riders couldn’t take part as Pawlicki and Sayfutdinov were racing. 

But, I wonder, other than making money for the promoters and, I assume the riders, what’s the point of the SEC? There seems to be no kudos attached to the title and, comparing how certain riders perform in it compared to their Polish league appearances, they don’t even appear to be using their best equipment. 

Add to that the generally poor crowds - where were the alleged 30,000 spectators hiding? - and the no more than average racing, with last night being the worst of them all. 

But the great news (!) is that the promoters, One Sport, are trying to get the license for the GPs, by out bidding BSI. So we have more of the same to look forward to

GP riders can take part- either by finishing in the top 5 from the season`s comp- or by qualifying through the rounds and SEC challenge final- they are not allowed to be the wildcard picks for the finals.

[Wee Eck]

1 hour ago, racers and royals said:

GP riders can take part- either by finishing in the top 5 from the season`s comp- or by qualifying through the rounds and SEC challenge final- they are not allowed to be the wildcard picks for the finals.

Fair enough. Do you know who doesn’t allow this? One Sport, BSI or FIM?

[racers and royals]

1 minute ago, Wee Eck said:

Fair enough. Do you know who doesn’t allow this? One Sport, BSI or FIM?

I have had to guess i would say the FIM under pressure from BSI(been like this for a couple of years now)

[Ghostwalker]

1 hour ago, Wee Eck said:

Fair enough. Do you know who doesn’t allow this? One Sport, BSI or FIM?

Mainly BSI. It was widely discussed when OneSport took over the series (see the older threads about SEC). BSI first intended to block
all SGP-riders from also riding in the SEC. BSI had to back down though since their intent would violate basic EU laws.
It ended in a compromise between OneSport and BSI.

Edited September 16, 2018 by Ghostwalker

[f-s-p]

12 minutes ago, Ghostwalker said:

Mainly BSI. It was widely discussed when OneSport took over the series (see the older threads about SEC). BSI first intended to block
all SGP-riders from also riding in the SEC. BSI had to back down though since their intent would violate basic EU laws.
It ended in a compromise between OneSport and BSI.

It was also crap politics by FIM and FIM Europe (with one particular German in both who more or less allowed it to happen) to allow OneSport copypaste a competition that was the SGP and call it SEC. 

It’s all in the past and nothing has been learned. Just wait and see.

[PHILIPRISING]

9 minutes ago, f-s-p said:

It was also crap politics by FIM and FIM Europe (with one particular German in both who more or less allowed it to happen) to allow OneSport copypaste a competition that was the SGP and call it SEC. 

It’s all in the past and nothing has been learned. Just wait and see.

TRUE...

[Ghostwalker]

24 minutes ago, f-s-p said:

It was also crap politics by FIM and FIM Europe (with one particular German in both who more or less allowed it to happen) to allow OneSport
copypaste a competition that was the SGP and call it SEC. 

It’s all in the past and nothing has been learned. Just wait and see.

 

14 minutes ago, PHILIPRISING said:

TRUE...

I  would assume  that it falls under the same laws and regulations as BSI/FIM not allowed to ban SGP-riders in SEC.
FIM / FIM-E probably aren't allowed to stop  SEC regardless of shape since OneSport then could claim that FIM/FIM-E are restricting free trade.
It is not different compared to WRC and IRC/ERC. WRC is the larger series spanning over longer time and more parts of the world
while ERC is the smaller "local" European series and run by different promoters.

[iris123]

43 minutes ago, f-s-p said:

It was also crap politics by FIM and FIM Europe (with one particular German in both who more or less allowed it to happen) to allow OneSport copypaste a competition that was the SGP and call it SEC. 

It’s all in the past and nothing has been learned. Just wait and see.

The problem is the FIM are basically hopeless at promoting the sport,so jumped at the chance to let someone cherry pick the main comps.Then FIM Europe were allowed to run their own and also jumped at the chance to let someone else run their main comp,much to the chagrin of both BSI and FIM.Battle lines were drawn and have become entrenched ever since,which is why it is laughable for people to think the winner of the SEC would be given a wildcard into a BSI comp!!!

[f-s-p]

11 minutes ago, Ghostwalker said:

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11 minutes ago, Ghostwalker said:

 

I  would assume  that it falls under the same laws and regulations as BSI/FIM not allowed to ban SGP-riders in SEC.
FIM / FIM-E probably aren't allowed to stop  SEC regardless of shape since OneSport then could claim that FIM/FIM-E are restricting free trade.
It is not different compared to WRC and IRC/ERC. WRC is the larger series spanning over longer time and more parts of the world
while ERC is the smaller "local" European series and run by different promoters.

The problem is not eu laws or banning riders from one series to another. The problem is why it was allowed to happen, take that path probably 2 years before the war on riders began. 

I’m not talking about BSI or OneSport. The main problem were the people in FIM CCP and FIM Europe TRC. With atleast one person in both so some info had to be available. But maybe it wasnt. 

[New Yorker]

Has anyone heard how Andreas Johnson is doing? I think both Lebedev and Huchenbeck were both shaken up more than they let on and were very lucky to "walk away" . Not sure if either one should have raced that soon after.  Did anyone notice that it appeared that Lebedev might have had only one bike there as they were working on it like there was no other?