The Bsi As Seen From Pl

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

TORUN are responsible but if you like to send me the details of your complain t (either by pm or email to phil@pinegen.co.uk) I will ensure BSI pass them on to Torun.

i have already sent to bsi and they have responded by passing the buck on to Torun ,Ive have posted in the Torun 2017 section , even if they are responsible it is bad customer relationship from bsi to just pass the buck and not even say sorry , we have been good customers for bsi for a few years now but this has definitely soured feelings about them Edited November 19, 2017 by THE DEAN MACHINE

[PHILIPRISING]

i have already sent to bsi and they have responded by passing the buck on to Torun ,Ive have posted in the Torun 2017 section , even if they are responsible it is bad customer relationship from bsi to just pass the buck and not even say sorry , we have been good customers for bsi for a few years now but this has definitely soured feelings about them

I'VE given you an option why not use it?

[Triple.H.]

TORUN are responsible but if you like to send me the details of your complain t (either by pm or email to phil@pinegen.co.uk) I will ensure BSI pass them on to Torun.

Phil sorry to dig up old ground, but this has been done to death on here in the past. BSI love a success and the Kudos that goes with it. When it all goes T×ts up it's the fault of the local promoter.

BSI are the rights holders it all boils down to being there responsibility.

As I said a few years ago on the same subject look at F1 under Bernie Ecclestone he didn't suffer fools, as for every mistake a "local promoter" made his business could have suffered

[RPNY]

Well there are always 2 sides to every story. I'm sure there are some valid points in the original post, however as I say it is merely one side of the story.

 

BSI have made many mistakes over their 17 (?) years in charge. And yes be in track problems, access to stadium, acts of god, they do like to point the finger...However on the whole I feel like they have run the GPs brilliantly. The old World Finals and pre BSI GPs were dated, no pre/post entertainment, old stadiums. It definitely needed modernizing and I feel they have more than done that,

 

The Saturday night/ruined the British league argument is tough. To my knowledge, all World Finals were held Saturday nights so we cant use that argument. And, as I've said in previous posts the day Hans Nielsen opted out of riding in Britain the writing was on the wall and sure enough most riders followed suit. Some have fluttered in and out of riding in Britain but I cant think of one top rider who hasn't opted out of riding in the UK at some stage. Tines changed. When we dominated world Speedway we basically only gave the Poles Sunday. As it turned out, that's a great day to watch sport and now British Speedway is paying the price.

Edited November 20, 2017 by RPNYC

[Daniel Smith]

 

Is that a bad thing ?...and if it is tell me why?

 

 

It is a bad thing purely by looking at the SEC, Pairs and U21's meetings.

Very poorly organised for World TV viewing.

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

I'VE given you an option why not use it?

bsi have already passed our complaint on to Torun on our behalf and are chasing an answer from them, Torun are not responding Edited November 20, 2017 by THE DEAN MACHINE

[RobMcCaffery]

How odd that the major Polish Speedway website should carry an attack on BSI when the Ekstraliga clearly sees the SGP as a hindrance to their business and there is a rival Polish contender for staging international events that I suspect is connected to the website and which I am sure would soon ditch its own current events if they ever got their hands on the SGP/SWC?

 

Anyone would think they wanted BSI out of the way so that Polish Speedway could run all the major events, domestically or internationally. Now, if you wanted to destabilise BSI how would you do it? Hmmm...how about some lame knocking copy on a compliant website? .

 

How very odd, eh? ;-)

[Trees]

BSI has a 25 year deal so just a few more to go .......

[Midland Red]

When the World Individual Championships first started at Wembley the profits of these meetings went back to the clubs promoting Speedway in his country, So how did they lose control of this, After all there was not a great competition to lose this yet they did. , Moving on how did BSI get control . Somebody must have sold out to them for a mess of potage. So we now have a company running Speedway and putting nothing back into the sport. So why do not the speedway clubs in Sweden, England ,Dennmark and Poland ban all their riders from taking part and starting their own world championship and the profits go back into Speedway before it falls completely

Ask Mr Olsen

[PolskiZuzel]

... I could spend all morning disputing most of which is claimed but have far better things to do.

 

What a pity...I would love to be acquainted with the things you could dispute...even if it would take all afternoon

[PHILIPRISING]

Well there are always 2 sides to every story. I'm sure there are some valid points in the original post, however as I say it is merely one side of the story.

 

BSI have made many mistakes over their 17 (?) years in charge. And yes be in track problems, access to stadium, acts of god, they do like to point the finger...However on the whole I feel like they have run the GPs brilliantly. The old World Finals and pre BSI GPs were dated, no pre/post entertainment, old stadiums. It definitely needed modernizing and I feel they have more than done that,

 

The Saturday night/ruined the British league argument is tough. To my knowledge, all World Finals were held Saturday nights so we cant use that argument. And, as I've said in previous posts the day Hans Nielsen opted out of riding in Britain the writing was on the wall and sure enough most riders followed suit. Some have fluttered in and out of riding in Britain but I cant think of one top rider who hasn't opted out of riding in the UK at some stage. Tines changed. When we dominated world Speedway we basically only gave the Poles Sunday. As it turned out, that's a great day to watch sport and now British Speedway is paying the price.

JUST for the record, Swedish World Finals up to and including 1980 were held on a Friday.

 

What a pity...I would love to be acquainted with the things you could dispute...even if it would take all afternoon

IT would take all afternoon and I have more important things to do ... like washing my hair. Probably something you don't do in fantasy land.

[Humphrey Appleby]

However on the whole I feel like they have run the GPs brilliantly. The old World Finals and pre BSI GPs were dated, no pre/post entertainment, old stadiums. It definitely needed modernizing and I feel they have more than done that

I'd say BSI made a reasonable start to revamping the World Championship by getting a GP at the Millennium Stadium and returning to a couple of other former 'prestige' venues, although to be honest I think it was a slam dunk. The World Championship had been (deliberately?) run down by FIM by holding World Finals and then GPs in mostly obscure venues, even though crowds at the bigger World Finals in latter years had held up reasonably well.

 

The BSI 'innovation' was more getting television and to some extent sponsorship on the back of that, but again, it was during an era of satellite and cable television growth desperate for cheap content. And the television and sponsorship deals weren't really spectacular by the standards of some minor sports.

 

As for the entertainment - well I'd rather they spent the money on a decent track, and I could quite frankly take or leave the likes of Edwin Starr and a boy playing an accordion.

 

However, I think BSI seriously took their eye off the ball at some point, which culminated in several fiascos that were largely down to poor planning and organisation. That led to various changes of personnel that Philippe has claimed were planned anyway, but ultimately have led to less obvious problems since.

 

And what BSI has done badly throughout the years, is taking responsibility for ensuring that individual GPs are not only properly organised, but promoted as well. How many times have we heard 'lessons will be learned' despite the fact BSI have been running these things for close to 20 years now? A series promoter to me, should have responsibility for setting standards and ensuring those are met at every GP - if they can insist upon it for their own personnel coming to GPs, then it shouldn't be a big leap to ensure the fan experience is good too.

 

The fact that only a couple of GPs have had any longevity is testament to the lack of building decent relationships with local promoters. And then you have the subsequent slating of former GP promoters through the resident BSI proxy, which seems unprofessional to my mind and unlikely to rebuild any bridges in future.

 

So could anyone else do better? Maybe, maybe not - the bar is not very high in speedway. But of course, the FIM signing 20+ year agreements doesn't leave any opportunity for others to come along and improve things. Something like F1 that requires multi-billion dollar investments will need the security of long-term deals, but speedway isn't anywhere in that league and 5-10 year agreements would be more than reasonable for the level that the sport is at.

 

The Saturday night/ruined the British league argument is tough. To my knowledge, all World Finals were held Saturday nights so we cant use that argument.

Well you can, because the World Final was only one Saturday (or Friday) not 12 every year. And even if you include the qualifying rounds, it was really only 3 or 4.

 

The British leagues were already on their way to ruin before the SGP came along, but the SGP was certainly the nail in the coffin.

[PolskiZuzel]

 

IT would take all afternoon and I have more important things to do ... like washing my hair. Probably something you don't do in fantasy land.

 

I am surprise that you still got yours, because I already went bald

 

Seriously though, I wonder why do you bother being here. Everyone is eager here to put their views accross.

That's why we are here.

Edited November 22, 2017 by PolskiZuzel

[RPNY]

I'd say BSI made a reasonable start to revamping the World Championship by getting a GP at the Millennium Stadium and returning to a couple of other former 'prestige' venues, although to be honest I think it was a slam dunk. The World Championship had been (deliberately?) run down by FIM by holding World Finals and then GPs in mostly obscure venues, even though crowds at the bigger World Finals in latter years had held up reasonably well.

 

The BSI 'innovation' was more getting television and to some extent sponsorship on the back of that, but again, it was during an era of satellite and cable television growth desperate for cheap content. And the television and sponsorship deals weren't really spectacular by the standards of some minor sports.

 

As for the entertainment - well I'd rather they spent the money on a decent track, and I could quite frankly take or leave the likes of Edwin Starr and a boy playing an accordion.

 

However, I think BSI seriously took their eye off the ball at some point, which culminated in several fiascos that were largely down to poor planning and organisation. That led to various changes of personnel that Philippe has claimed were planned anyway, but ultimately have led to less obvious problems since.

 

And what BSI has done badly throughout the years, is taking responsibility for ensuring that individual GPs are not only properly organised, but promoted as well. How many times have we heard 'lessons will be learned' despite the fact BSI have been running these things for close to 20 years now? A series promoter to me, should have responsibility for setting standards and ensuring those are met at every GP - if they can insist upon it for their own personnel coming to GPs, then it shouldn't be a big leap to ensure the fan experience is good too.

 

The fact that only a couple of GPs have had any longevity is testament to the lack of building decent relationships with local promoters. And then you have the subsequent slating of former GP promoters through the resident BSI proxy, which seems unprofessional to my mind and unlikely to rebuild any bridges in future.

 

So could anyone else do better? Maybe, maybe not - the bar is not very high in speedway. But of course, the FIM signing 20+ year agreements doesn't leave any opportunity for others to come along and improve things. Something like F1 that requires multi-billion dollar investments will need the security of long-term deals, but speedway isn't anywhere in that league and 5-10 year agreements would be more than reasonable for the level that the sport is at.

 

 

 

 

Well you can, because the World Final was only one Saturday (or Friday) not 12 every year. And even if you include the qualifying rounds, it was really only 3 or 4.

 

The British leagues were already on their way to ruin before the SGP came along, but the SGP was certainly the nail in the coffin.

 

Outside of messing a few tracks and then shirking responsibility for it I dont see what they have done wrong. F1 for example isnt without problems they mess plenty of stuff up.

I enjoy GPs - you obviously dont, but I dont defend it blindly. I've had pretty heated discussions with John Posstlethwaite, Paul Bellamy and even Nicola Sands over the years after traveling long distances to GPs only for them to be canceled. But on the whole they have upgraded an already great product. Not just the stadiums, the whole presentation, before, during and after is just so much slicker. Any friends Ive taken to a GP have absolutely loved it then gone to a league mate and thought sod this. You cannot just rely on the racing anymore, it has to be an event. BSI to their credit have done that.

Edited November 22, 2017 by RPNYC

[Humphrey Appleby]

Outside of messing a few tracks and then shirking responsibility for it I dont see what they have done wrong.

Having an indoor GP 'rained off' (Gelsenkirchen), another abandoned because of lack of a functional start mechanism (Warsaw), and yet another moved with a day's notice to another city because the original venue was insufficiently prepared (Riga), is totally inexcusable and simply down to very poor organisation.

 

That's before we get to other abandonments due to state of the track (e.g. Gothenburg), and the poor experience in some other venues because of lack of suitability (e.g. Tampere). They may be argued to be unfortunate circumstances, but after 20 years of organisational experience, I think the excuses are wearing a bit thin.

F1 for example isnt without problems they mess plenty of stuff up.

Can't recall any F1 GPs being cancelled because the track wasn't properly prepared or the wrong kind of tarmac used, nor GPs being moved to another city with a day's notice. There was the Indianapolis GP fiasco a few years back, and a Bahrain GP was cancelled because of civil unrest, but I can't think what else has been messed up in that sport.

 

I enjoy GPs - you obviously dont, but I dont defend it blindly.

It's not a matter of whether I enjoy the GPs or not. They can sometimes be quite good, although I dont get much opportunity to watch them these days as despite Philippes claims that the SGP is shown all around the world, Ive only seen it shown in a couple of the 100+ countries Ive been to.

 

Its just that I don't think BSI does that brilliant a job, nor do I agree with private promoters taking out what limited money there is in the sport. The latter is the fault of the FIM not BSI, but I think it should be questioned whether the SGP is bringing benefits to the wider sport, or is just there to enrich US shareholders.

Edited November 23, 2017 by Humphrey Appleby

[sommelier]

Having an indoor GP 'rained off' (Gelsenkirchen), another abandoned because of lack of a functional start mechanism (Warsaw), and yet another moved with a day's notice to another city because the original venue was insufficiently prepared (Riga), is totally inexcusable and simply down to very poor organisation.

 

That's before we get to other abandonments due to state of the track (e.g. Gothenburg), and the poor experience in some other venues because of lack of suitability (e.g. Tampere). They may be argued to be unfortunate circumstances, but after 20 years of organisational experience, I think the excuses are wearing a bit thin.

Can't recall any F1 GPs being cancelled because the track wasn't properly prepared or the wrong kind of tarmac used, nor GPs being moved to another city with a day's notice. There was the Indianapolis GP fiasco a few years back, and a Bahrain GP was cancelled because of civil unrest, but I can't think what else has been messed up in that sport.

 

It's not a matter of whether I enjoy the GPs or not. They can sometimes be quite good, although I dont get much opportunity to watch them these days as despite Philippes claims that the SGP is shown all around the world, Ive only seen it shown in a couple of the 100+ countries Ive been to.

 

Its just that I don't think BSI does that brilliant a job, nor do I agree with private promoters taking out what limited money there is in the sport. The latter is the fault of the FIM not BSI, but I think it should be questioned whether the SGP is bringing benefits to the wider sport, or is just there to enrich US shareholders.

Spa Francorchamps was cancelled the one year due to track braking up, I should know I drove there to find it cancelled! cant remember the year off the top of my head