PHILIPRISING Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 JIM Coyle, the Glasgow announcer, has written an interesting article about the future of British speedway which is published this week in Speedway Xtra ... Speedway's Star free online digital mag which can be accessed via speedwaystar.net. Well worth a read for those able to do so. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 I especially like his ideas for the league but as we already know, they aren't going to happen, otherwise there wouldn't be all this about fixed race nights and teams already signing riders (or trying to) on the strength of it. A set-up as described by Jim certainly sounds better than what we are likely to get, maybe the promoters will have a light bulb moment and adopt it?........ Nah! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 I especially like his ideas for the league but as we already know, they aren't going to happen, otherwise there wouldn't be all this about fixed race nights and teams already signing riders (or trying to) on the strength of it. A set-up as described by Jim certainly sounds better than what we are likely to get, maybe the promoters will have a light bulb moment and adopt it?........ Nah! You are probably right ff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 IF Premier League promoters have decided to truly "splash the cash" to such an extent, in an attempt to rejuvenate UK speedway, then some will go to the wall in 2018. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 IF Premier League promoters have decided to truly "splash the cash" to such an extent, in an attempt to rejuvenate UK speedway, then some will go to the wall in 2018. Sadly you could be right. Let's hope not though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 Like it! Gets my vote! Can we go ahead with it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedcarRacer Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 Whilst I was never a fan of set race nights, it is worth a go - and will be a big step for British speedway. Hopefully cut out lots of guest appearances etc and bring back some big names, which we have already seen. This will be a major move for British speedway and people should get behind it IMO - even if, like me, you aren't a huge fan and my club will be one of those impacted by having to move their own race night. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 Fixed race nights are what all the other countries have had for years and at least two are successful so ......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 What about Ipswich Sheffield and Redcar are Friday or Saturday nights feasible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 Fixed race nights are what all the other countries have had for years and at least two are successful so ......... So? That doesn't make it right for UK it wouldn't be necessary if we went for one British League plus a National Development League Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 What about Ipswich Sheffield and Redcar are Friday or Saturday nights feasible. What does that matter as long as the Premier League is OK - that's all that matters. The new Redcar Promoter has done a great job of resurrecting the Clubs fortunes and then BANG!!! He is hit with having to change his race night. It hardly seems fair to me. I only hope that the Redcar Supporters will be able to support a different night. Here's hoping. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted November 16, 2017 Report Share Posted November 16, 2017 Interesting scenario...same night speedway. When I used to attend Cowley that concept would have been difficult to accommodate due to the unavailability of the stadium on certain days due to other activities taking priority. Would be interesting if present promotions would be able to meet the criteria suggested? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted November 16, 2017 Report Share Posted November 16, 2017 What about Ipswich Sheffield and Redcar are Friday or Saturday nights feasible. What about Ipswich Sheffield and Redcar are Friday or Saturday nights feasible. It's a no for Sheffield Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted November 16, 2017 Report Share Posted November 16, 2017 What is the future for those tracks that can't change race nights. It's a big leap into the unknown for some clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedcarRacer Posted November 16, 2017 Report Share Posted November 16, 2017 What about Ipswich Sheffield and Redcar are Friday or Saturday nights feasible. Sheffield can race other nights, look at their thread - their fans confirm this. What does that matter as long as the Premier League is OK - that's all that matters. The new Redcar Promoter has done a great job of resurrecting the Clubs fortunes and then BANG!!! He is hit with having to change his race night. It hardly seems fair to me. I only hope that the Redcar Supporters will be able to support a different night. Here's hoping. Redcar are lucky that we can race any night of the week we like. Why on earth would fans NOT be able to support another race night, I am a Redcar fan - and I loved watching on a Thursday night, but it is ridiculous to suggest that fans can't watch their team on another night - it is old codger attitudes that will kill the sport. And although I am a second tier fan, supporter - the answer is YES the top division has to be a success. We DO need world class riders. Only an idiot would think attracting the likes of Martin Vaculik into the the British league is a bad thing, and we have to go fixed nights to help this, then that is the right thing to do. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted November 16, 2017 Report Share Posted November 16, 2017 What about Ipswich Sheffield and Redcar are Friday or Saturday nights feasible. I don't think it is an insurmountable problem with some intelligent fixture planning. There are 34 weeks from the start of March to the end of October. Last season Sheffield rode 26 home meetings on a Thursday. If the new Premiership moved to fixed race nights and the eight teams are equally distributed, the worse case scenario is a Thursday club (let's use Swindon as an example) needing to ride 24 fixtures on a Thursday (16 home and 8 away). Of course, in reality Swindon won't ride all of their home meetings on a Thursday, as several will be held on Sundays (bank holiday weekends) and Mondays for TV. Obviously, Thursday Championship clubs like Sheffield will have to compromise and move some of their home meetings to an alternate night, but just like some Premiership clubs will have to compromise on their race nights, we need to look at the bigger picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted November 16, 2017 Report Share Posted November 16, 2017 I don't think it is an insurmountable problem with some intelligent fixture planning. There are 34 weeks from the start of March to the end of October. Last season Sheffield rode 26 home meetings on a Thursday. If the new Premiership moved to fixed race nights and the eight teams are equally distributed, the worse case scenario is a Thursday club (let's use Swindon as an example) needing to ride 24 fixtures on a Thursday (16 home and 8 away). Of course, in reality Swindon won't ride all of their home meetings on a Thursday, as several will be held on Sundays (bank holiday weekends) and Mondays for TV. Obviously, Thursday Championship clubs like Sheffield will have to compromise and move some of their home meetings to an alternate night, but just like some Premiership clubs will have to compromise on their race nights, we need to look at the bigger picture. I understood the idea was that Mondays and Thursdays were Premiership only. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted November 16, 2017 Report Share Posted November 16, 2017 I understood the idea was that Mondays and Thursdays were Premiership only. I guess we will find out at the AGM. However, for me a bit of flexibility is required to allow club to migrate to the new fixed race nights. As I suggest, it does not seem impossible for some clubs across leagues to ride on the same night in the short term, while longer terms arrangements are put in place. With proper fixture planning enforcing fixed race nights from day one seems unnecessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted November 16, 2017 Report Share Posted November 16, 2017 I guess we will find out at the AGM. However, for me a bit of flexibility is required to allow club to migrate to the new fixed race nights. As I suggest, it does not seem impossible for some clubs across leagues to ride on the same night in the short term, while longer terms arrangements are put in place. With proper fixture planning enforcing fixed race nights from day one seems unnecessary. In the event of a rain-off and a Premiership fixture having to be re-arranged, we would be back to the situation of doubling-up clashes if a Championship club had decided to use that particular (and previously vacant) date but you're right in that we await clarity, or at least what passes for clarity in BSPA terms. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted November 16, 2017 Report Share Posted November 16, 2017 (edited) I'm loving the convoluted "simpler" average system So he proposes rounding averages to the nearest 0.5 of a point. I give you Rider A averages 4.25 and rider B averages 4.74, which one are you going to sign on a 4.5 average? The one nearly 0.5 higher. So you do that 7 times and you have gained 3.5 points. Thats 3.5 points more for you, and 3.5 less for the opposition (every point you score in speedway is one less for the opposition) meaning a 7 point difference before the meeting has ever started and allowing for form. And then the silly bugger suggests that the conversion between leagues should be 1.2 and 0.8. ARGH. Just make it 0.8 and multiple one way and dive the other. Jesus wept! The maths on that one is so wrong it's scary! To prove my points, take a number, add on 100% then remove 100% and how much do you have? It's NOT what you started with, it's nothing. averages/ratios/percentages are relative values. THERES NOTHING WRONG WITH AVERAGES! FFS. Edited November 16, 2017 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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