Coventry Bees Nl ?

[East End Fan]

Must agree with Rob McCaffery.  Those who are spouting the venom to persuade others not to attend the Coventry Bees project at

Leicester are doing the sport in general great harm.  Even IF it does not help the cause of a return to Brandon, it IS Speedway and

those of us with cinder in our blood should support it where=ever and whenever it is staged. I am a :Lakeside Hammers fan but I attend

as many meetings elsewhere as is possible. I know that is unusual, but at least ALL fans of any team should support their team to make

sure they are not lost as so many are.

[WalterPlinge]

3 hours ago, RobMcCaffery said:

So, you all boycott and help to kill it off. You'll then have plenty of time as the bulldozers and houses to move in to say "Well, we showed them". 

 

Quite the opposite.     Those hoisting the white flag and saying "Yes sir, we'll meekly shuffle off to Leicester and not cause any trouble for Brandon Estates" are the ones who are signing the death warrant for Brandon Stadium.   They'll have plenty of time as the bulldozers and houses move in to say "I wish we'd put up a fight and not allowed Coventry Speedway to die".

The only chance to save Coventry is to say "We won't be shunted off to Leicester.  Coventry speedway belongs in Coventry".    Make enough fuss so that the council daren't allow a change of use for the Coventry Stadium land, or at least force an agreement for a new stadium to be built before a change of use is granted.

Maybe those fighting for Brandon won't win in the end, but at least they will be able to say "I tried, and I wasn't a Leicester quitter"

 

[Midland Red]

7 hours ago, WalterPlinge said:

Quite the opposite.     Those hoisting the white flag and saying "Yes sir, we'll meekly shuffle off to Leicester and not cause any trouble for Brandon Estates" are the ones who are signing the death warrant for Brandon Stadium.   They'll have plenty of time as the bulldozers and houses move in to say "I wish we'd put up a fight and not allowed Coventry Speedway to die".

The only chance to save Coventry is to say "We won't be shunted off to Leicester.  Coventry speedway belongs in Coventry".    Make enough fuss so that the council daren't allow a change of use for the Coventry Stadium land, or at least force an agreement for a new stadium to be built before a change of use is granted.

Maybe those fighting for Brandon won't win in the end, but at least they will be able to say "I tried, and I wasn't a Leicester quitter"

 

Agree with this.  Bees fans could do well to follow Rye House for their speedway fix, that's a team more recognisable as Coventry than Mr Horton's Leicester lads

[mac101]

Pretty sure fans can do both support the team and fight for Brandon I think that would go down better with council planners 

[Woz01]

10 hours ago, WalterPlinge said:

Quite the opposite.     Those hoisting the white flag and saying "Yes sir, we'll meekly shuffle off to Leicester and not cause any trouble for Brandon Estates" are the ones who are signing the death warrant for Brandon Stadium.   They'll have plenty of time as the bulldozers and houses move in to say "I wish we'd put up a fight and not allowed Coventry Speedway to die".

The only chance to save Coventry is to say "We won't be shunted off to Leicester.  Coventry speedway belongs in Coventry".    Make enough fuss so that the council daren't allow a change of use for the Coventry Stadium land, or at least force an agreement for a new stadium to be built before a change of use is granted.

Maybe those fighting for Brandon won't win in the end, but at least they will be able to say "I tried, and I wasn't a Leicester quitter"

 

How dare you blame the fans! Ridiculous post! You can go to Leicester and still have those arguments, fans could use it as a place of peaceful protests.

I don't see how running elsewhere hinders the SCS campaign, they've even said that themselves. I'm of the opinion if we run and continue to do so it will put pressure on the council to help find other avenues like insist on a new site elsewhere. The longer we don't run the harder it will be to get support needed for a new site. 

Anyway whatever happens Brandon Estates will spin it to try and gain an advantage whether we run, we don't run or whether its successful or not. They'll have an answer for it. We just need to make better arguments instead of blaming the fans choices.

Edited January 27, 2018 by Woz01

[NeilWatson]

1 hour ago, Woz01 said:

How dare you blame the fans! Ridiculous post! You can go to Leicester and still have those arguments, fans could use it as a place of peaceful protests.

I don't see how running elsewhere hinders the SCS campaign, they've even said that themselves. I'm of the opinion if we run and continue to do so it will put pressure on the council to help find other avenues like insist on a new site elsewhere. The longer we don't run the harder it will be to get support needed for a new site. 

Anyway whatever happens Brandon Estates will spin it to try and gain an advantage whether we run, we don't run or whether its successful or not. They'll have an answer for it. We just need to make better arguments instead of blaming the fans choices.

A very fair analysis. What is also important to remember is that Mick has a 'place at the table' at the BSPA. Were he to cease running the Bees, any new applicant wishing to bring Speedway back to Coventry would be treated as a 'new entrant' requiring significant bonds etc, in the case of Premiership speedway that would be a very significant sum. Running at Leicester DOES enhance the chance of returning to race in Coventry, contrary to what some posters here may say.

Watching the Bees at Leicester is certainly not going to line Mick's pockets, but would be a positive contribution to the Bees' future.

If not watching them ultimately contributes to failure, that could make any attempt to return Speedway to Coventry more challenging for a new investor.

[Booey boy]

5 hours ago, Woz01 said:

How dare you blame the fans! Ridiculous post! You can go to Leicester and still have those arguments, fans could use it as a place of peaceful protests.

I don't see how running elsewhere hinders the SCS campaign, they've even said that themselves. I'm of the opinion if we run and continue to do so it will put pressure on the council to help find other avenues like insist on a new site elsewhere. The longer we don't run the harder it will be to get support needed for a new site. 

Anyway whatever happens Brandon Estates will spin it to try and gain an advantage whether we run, we don't run or whether its successful or not. They'll have an answer for it. We just need to make better arguments instead of blaming the fans choices.

And I thought you said fans will make there own minds up but you seem to be banging the drum a lot for going to Leicester let fans do what they want .The go and the don't go are as bad as one another 

[Booey boy]

3 hours ago, NeilWatson said:

A very fair analysis. What is also important to remember is that Mick has a 'place at the table' at the BSPA. Were he to cease running the Bees, any new applicant wishing to bring Speedway back to Coventry would be treated as a 'new entrant' requiring significant bonds etc, in the case of Premiership speedway that would be a very significant sum. Running at Leicester DOES enhance the chance of returning to race in Coventry, contrary to what some posters here may say.

Watching the Bees at Leicester is certainly not going to line Mick's pockets, but would be a positive contribution to the Bees' future.

If not watching them ultimately contributes to failure, that could make any attempt to return Speedway to Coventry more challenging for a new investor.

Tell me what future  Neil with out Brandon there isn't one but every one  will make up there own mind

[naffer]

21 hours ago, Gemini said:

 

Do you really think there will ever be Speedway at Brandon again or if a new stadium will be built?  Afraid I don't so it makes no difference if there is a Coventry team riding at Leicester.

I am clinging on to the hope of a Brandon return.

i do not believe there will ever be another stadium.

 

 

[Gemini]

I don't see how it can be possible though without the Stock Cars as well and as the owners won't allow Sandhu in the place a return looks pretty bleak.

[Woz01]

8 hours ago, Booey boy said:

And I thought you said fans will make there own minds up but you seem to be banging the drum a lot for going to Leicester let fans do what they want .The go and the don't go are as bad as one another 

My post wasnt to try and persuade fans to go. I've just stated why I've decided to go but yes fans need to make up their own minds and not pressured into a decision or then think they've done wrong by making that decision like Walter did further up the thread.

[Panthers89]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-5320571/Vital-venues-sporting-history-not-left-rot.html

bit of publicity 

[arnieg]

14 minutes ago, Panthers89 said:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-5320571/Vital-venues-sporting-history-not-left-rot.html

bit of publicity 

A really well written article that captures the emotions tied up in the 'sense of place' that much loved stadia engender.

[Woz01]

1 hour ago, Panthers89 said:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-5320571/Vital-venues-sporting-history-not-left-rot.html

bit of publicity 

Superb this is getting national coverage. As it states there is someone willing to put money into the stadium! Planning must be rejected!

[Woz01]

The Save Coventry Speedway group will be at Rugby Town hall today at 9am.

 

Edited January 29, 2018 by Woz01

[Woz01]

1 hour ago, adonis said:

someone is prepared to buy it are they ? 

 

Apparently so but BE are not willing to sell.

[WalterPlinge]

On 27/01/2018 at 11:15 AM, Woz01 said:

How dare you blame the fans! Ridiculous post!

Who's blaming fans?   Your post is ridiculous.

[Woz01]

1 hour ago, adonis said:

Not prepared to sell or not prepared to sell for what is being  offered ?  they were prepared to sell for what they paid  last year , 2.7 million 

They want significantly more than that.

[False dawn]

4 hours ago, Woz01 said:

They want significantly more than that.

BE may believe the market value is 4 or 8  times that figure (depends which rumour you listen to). And that may be a realistic valuation given planning permission for housing is granted. However, what price a large piece of land, with or without a stadium, without said planning permission? The current owners have to play a canny waiting game with regard to the co-operation of the local Borough Council. If they wait too long they may see their £2.7M "investment" reduce in value significantly. Might be time, quite soon, for them to cut and run.

[Woz01]

7 hours ago, False dawn said:

BE may believe the market value is 4 or 8  times that figure (depends which rumour you listen to). And that may be a realistic valuation given planning permission for housing is granted. However, what price a large piece of land, with or without a stadium, without said planning permission? The current owners have to play a canny waiting game with regard to the co-operation of the local Borough Council. If they wait too long they may see their £2.7M "investment" reduce in value significantly. Might be time, quite soon, for them to cut and run.

I think it was Jeremy Heaver who said they were asking for £10m last year but if they find it difficult to get planning it should start reducing the value. We will soon find out how far and long Brandon Estates are willing to go to get housing on there.