gazzac Posted December 8, 2017 Report Share Posted December 8, 2017 (edited) Without doubt that is another nail in the development coffin but sadly it has been money driven for years. Eastbourne to their credit do run regular 2nd halves and host an SDL team which is more than most although still a long way to go to make up for the destruction of the training track that helped nurture so many youngsters. Not that I agree, but a lot of people say we still have a training track, not a full size one!!! Edited December 8, 2017 by gazzac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted December 8, 2017 Report Share Posted December 8, 2017 And for that you can blame the BSPA. Its decision to ban NL clubs from having assets removes the financial incentive to train the next generation of riders. Another example of the shortsighted policies of the people at the top of the sport. They can pick up NL riders for next to nothing (saves them money) and then they wonder why the flow of talent is beginning to wane. Penny wise; pound foolish. Its definitely the case that the NL clubs pay significantly less in fees than the top two leagues and one of the reasons for that is they cannot sign assets. I know Jayne Moss put a very good post on here regarding NL clubs owning assets and its nowhere near as clear cut as it seems. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted December 9, 2017 Report Share Posted December 9, 2017 (edited) I think it is quite clear cut. The top two leagues leech off the NL: they put nothing in but take. Why should NL club train up riders for no reward. As to the fees, they probably are less - and so they should be at 3rd division level, having regard to typical admission prices - remembering a lot of costs are the same whether you are in the Premiership or NL). If NL league clubs were rewarded for developing young riders, you might see more enthusiasm from the clubs. I think we need Jayne Moss to state the case clearly again. If memory serves me correctly, she preferred a situation where NL clubs could not have assets which suggests its nowhere near as simple as you are putting it nor is it the case that NL clubs are as hard done by as you imply. Actually NL clubs receive a training fee (albeit not much) when the rider signs for a higher club and they pay no loan fees for riders who are assets of other teams (Josh Bailey & Richard Knight spring to mind). The amount they pay the BSPA is definitely substantially less and a referee does exactly the same job at whatever meeting he attends, so why should some be charged more than others ? I think it was one ex Championship promoter who said that some NL clubs want all the benefits of being in the Premiership and Championship but don't want to pay for it. This is particularly relevant taking into account that NL clubs are in general in better financial shape than those in the top two divisions. In addition, to suggest that NL clubs receive no reward for training young riders is nonsense. The financial gain from other clubs maybe minimal, but clearly if you put time and effort (the money commitment is almost non existent, indeed Isle of Wight make money from their training school) into giving youngsters a chance it means they are more likely to stay with your club, hugely benefitting the team in the short term. As an example, Mildenhall will have Kemp, Bebee, Jenkins and Marson riding for them this season. All have been given opportunities by the Fen Tigers and repaid the clubs loyalty by joining them at the start of their NL careers. Every single Mildenhall fan I know, not surprisingly, can't wait for the season to start. Isn't the on - and indeed off - track success of an NL club enough for them to have a strong youth and training policy ? Edited December 9, 2017 by Halifaxtiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex2000 Posted December 9, 2017 Report Share Posted December 9, 2017 Back to Eastbourne whats the shake up going to be ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunters Posted December 9, 2017 Report Share Posted December 9, 2017 Back to Eastbourne whats the shake up going to be ... Got to be a bit of Connor hype. After their performance of the last three years we cannot ask for anything more. Shake up's come when you are in trouble not when you have won the KO Cup three times on the trot with three runner up pendants in the League. It was just unfortunate that the time they won the play off it did not count and when they topped the table they lost the play off. In reality they have done everything. Please no shake up just more of the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gee jay Posted December 9, 2017 Report Share Posted December 9, 2017 Got to be a bit of Connor hype. After their performance of the last three years we cannot ask for anything more. Shake up's come when you are in trouble not when you have won the KO Cup three times on the trot with three runner up pendants in the League. It was just unfortunate that the time they won the play off it did not count and when they topped the table they lost the play off. In reality they have done everything. Please no shake up just more of the same. maybe it's that we've all got to take a turn in the elvis the eagle suit or we won't be allowed in . that would shake me up , i think i'm too fat to do up the zip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzac Posted December 9, 2017 Report Share Posted December 9, 2017 Back to Eastbourne whats the shake up going to be ...Race clockwise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eaglesno1 Posted December 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 (edited) The big 'shake up' is to be revealed on Thursday morning. Edited December 10, 2017 by eaglesno1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussex bulldog Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 The big 'shake up' is to be revealed on Thursday morning. The AGM is on Thursday. Could the announcement follow ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnTwo Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 I doubt it as it says Thursday morning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moleman27 Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 I am gonna throw in secret Championship position in to the hat. That we got to keep secret intill NL AGM! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnTwo Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 Why on earth would they go Championship theyre still yet to win this league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moleman27 Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 Who knows what it could be? Just putting any idea forward. Doubt any of us would be able to correctly guess what the shake up os anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gee jay Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 quickly dispelled that idea when i was thinking what it could be. wouldn't the 2 signings that they have made be too weak for the championship ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnTwo Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 Can’t be Championship Edwards ineligible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnTwo Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 And I don’t like this new forum update lol 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gee jay Posted December 13, 2017 Report Share Posted December 13, 2017 (edited) 22 hours ago, TurnTwo said: And I don’t like this new forum update lol i like it a bit better now i worked out i had to sign in again , if the shake up is race night or time that would really be bad for me so i hope it's not that either. Edited December 13, 2017 by gee jay wanted to add to it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eaglesno1 Posted December 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2017 3 people, on twitter, have guessed that the 'shake up' is that the Dugard's are selling up and the Eastbourne twitter has re-tweeted them. Does this indicate that this is what it is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevec Posted December 13, 2017 Report Share Posted December 13, 2017 Well they are saying something that has not been done in 89 years. Speedway started at Arlo in 1929. If you assume thats the beginning of 1929, thats 89 years ago. So it could be a move to a new stadium or ownership or both! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzac Posted December 13, 2017 Report Share Posted December 13, 2017 1 hour ago, eaglesno1 said: 3 people, on twitter, have guessed that the 'shake up' is that the Dugard's are selling up and the Eastbourne twitter has re-tweeted them. Does this indicate that this is what it is? As they own the stadium can't think after all these year's they'd be selling up, but both have said how busy they are with their jobs.Perhaps they'll stay as ' directors ' of the club, but relinquish the weekly running of it. Perhaps after involving him after his injury last year making Mark Baseby team manager? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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