SCB Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 If a rider cuts across the centre green and is excluded, do we know if this is considered a ride for the purpose of averages? I see in August 8th at Lynn the referee marked down MPT as a tapes exclusion but surely thats not right is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 It's a starting offence like tapes and all the others and the ref should mark them all up the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted November 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 (edited) It's a starting offence like tapes and all the others and the ref should mark them all up the same. Thanks. Totally illogical but this is the BSPA (or the SCB actually) Edited November 8, 2017 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 How can it be a ride if the rider wasn't under starters orders? A tapes offence is a ride. A 2 minutes exclusion isn't. (Or, at least, it never used to be.) This seems more in line with a 2 minutes exclusion as the rider never made the start line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 This is obviously the season to be silly. So..... All 4 go to the tapes and the race starts. The ref puts on the red lights for an unsatisfactory start and one of the riders cuts across the centre green/black/grey (delete as applicable). What then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balderdash&piffle Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 This is obviously the season to be silly. So..... All 4 go to the tapes and the race starts. The ref puts on the red lights for an unsatisfactory start and one of the riders cuts across the centre green/black/grey (delete as applicable). What then? He gets grass in his tyres. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 He gets grass in his tyres. He is excluded for a"tapes offence". They lump all such crimes together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balderdash&piffle Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 He is excluded for a"tapes offence". They lump all such crimes together. Still gets grass in his tyres, end of the world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 Why would M (as in 2 mins exclusion) would not be classified as a ride? It was your heat, and (usually) a selfimposef reason you did not take part in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 Why would M (as in 2 mins exclusion) would not be classified as a ride? It was your heat, and (usually) a selfimposef reason you did not take part in it. Unlike most other countries a two minute exclusion is not counted as a ride in the UK for the purposes of averages or complying with minimum ride rules. It does count for the purposes of maximum rides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 (edited) Unlike most other countries a two minute exclusion is not counted as a ride in the UK for the purposes of averages or complying with minimum ride rules. It does count for the purposes of maximum rides. A little while ago, a high profile rider was threatening to sit out a race to get excluded, to get out of the meeting, thinking his ride would count for his mandatory three rides. He was told it wouldn't count , and was advised not to think about breaking the tapes either. Hmmm, top man as well. Edited November 8, 2017 by Tsunami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted November 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 A little while ago, a high profile rider was threatening to sit out a race to get excluded, to get out of the meeting, thinking his ride would count for his mandatory three rides. He was told it wouldn't count , and was advised not to think about breaking the tapes either. Hmmm, top man as well.Yeah, Chris Holder. He got a ban too! And it does count as a ride if the rider is not replaced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 Comes under 15.3 as a starting offence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted November 10, 2017 Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 And it does count as a ride if the rider is not replaced.I think there are enough ways to fiddle with avgs, so just make it vount in every case. = / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted November 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 I think there are enough ways to fiddle with avgs, so just make it vount in every case. = / Thats a bigger fiddle your way. Rider comes out for his 4th ride, touches the tapes and is replaced but for average purposes he now score 0 from 1 lowering his average. It's one of the things the BSPA/SCB have right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted November 10, 2017 Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 As we have the rules aficionados gathered here what about helmet colours this season? The number of riders using a helmet that has some red on it has increased, likewise black and yellow helmet designs rather than quarters and in multiple meetings riders have come to the tapes with yellow only. Surely these are basics like making sure you ride in the correct race and should meet with fines if not correctly followed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted November 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 As we have the rules aficionados gathered here what about helmet colours this season? The number of riders using a helmet that has some red on it has increased, likewise black and yellow helmet designs rather than quarters and in multiple meetings riders have come to the tapes with yellow only. Surely these are basics like making sure you ride in the correct race and should meet with fines if not correctly followed? It really comes down to the referee. Some are sticklers and will fine riders for the wrong helmet colours being worn, others don't mind as long as it's "obvious". There was a mini-clamp down when they brought the yellow/black back from just yellow but I've noticed its gone again. Helmet colours themselves, Ive never known it be an issue, in fact in the past riders have had 4 helmets, red, blue, white and yellow/black and changed it for each heat but have been known to wear a helmet colour, presumably because a helmet got damaged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted November 10, 2017 Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 (edited) Thats a bigger fiddle your way. Rider comes out for his 4th ride, touches the tapes and is replaced but for average purposes he now score 0 from 1 lowering his average. It's one of the things the BSPA/SCB have right.I might have quoted poorly, I meant that every letter and score should be counted as a ride. Apart from N and that happens when a heat is taken from you in advance. Like tac sub or similar. Even if you win as a rider by lowering your avg, your team loses at that moment (not necessarily true 10/10). So there some justice in it all. Maybe. Edited November 10, 2017 by f-s-p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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