foamfence Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 32 minutes ago, Speedway4ever said: Can't understand how the BSPA Don't recognise the league. Speedway is speedway isn't it? or is it the BSPA making rules to suit them when it suits. Probably because it isn't actually a league, it's a four team tournament. Four clubs, four riders plus a reserve in each side and that's it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedway4ever Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 Won't stop me going win,lose or draw but I agree it dosn't do the sport good even from what others have put about promoters and management knowing when they signed Kus. It just seems the BSPA couldn't give a stuff and they do or allow what they want when it suits. Then again they are used to making rules up then changing them arn't they. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 33 minutes ago, Yearbyred said: Only going on what Kevin Keay said on radio - Proctor was booked but after a protest by Glasgow the ruling was made. Can’t see it does the sport much good, it weakens an already weak team and I’m sure the crowd figure will reflect this. If the Czech league isnt recognised and this was already known, why were Redcar booking a guest in the first place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedway4ever Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, foamfence said: Probably because it isn't actually a league, it's a four team tournament. Four clubs, four riders plus a reserve in each side and that's it. So if Kus didn't go he loses out and gets penalised and no doubt the promoters would get a fine if they refused to allow him to go even though the BSPA don't acknowledge what he's racing in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedway4ever Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, MD said: If the Czech league isnt recognised and this was already known, why were Redcar booking a guest in the first place? I see what you are saying. The question is how many outside the BSPA know it's not recognised until this come up They knew he was racing, but maybe didn't know they couldn't get a rider from the same league. I don't know. Either way we just get on with it and see what happens. They can only do their best tomorrow night. I bet many never thought Workington would beat the Tigers. Speedway is certainly unpredictable. Edited May 16, 2018 by Speedway4ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yearbyred Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 I think most Redcar supporters weren’t keen on Kus coming back and if the rule re the Czech league has been in place for a while (as some are saying is the case) then the fault lies with Redcar. Glasgow should really be coming away with 4 points from this meeting now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, Speedway4ever said: I see what you are saying. The question is how many outside the BSPA know it's not recognised until this come up That's the problem nobody probably, it was erimus that copy and pasted a statement on it on the previous page on this thread so I am guessing going by that it was a BSPA decision rather than a Glasgow appeal either way its p*ss poor on the fans. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear_Bottom Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 Never had a chance of adequately replacing the Lionel Messi of speedway 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedway4ever Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, Yearbyred said: I think most Redcar supporters weren’t keen on Kus coming back and if the rule re the Czech league has been in place for a while (as some are saying is the case) then the fault lies with Redcar. Glasgow should really be coming away with 4 points from this meeting now. This is the thing how would we know how long it's been in unless those governing the sport say. A bit crap now if other Czech riders want to come to Britain or teams look to other Czech riders as that's knackered for them isn't it which I feel is unfair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedway4ever Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 I hope it's a good meeting tomorrow night and both teams give the fans a good nights racing. It's going to be interesting that's for sure. Anyway, safe journey for any Tigers fans venturing down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 19 minutes ago, Speedway4ever said: So if Kus didn't go he loses out and gets penalised and no doubt the promoters would get a fine if they refused to allow him to go even though the BSPA don't acknowledge what he's racing in. The promoters wouldn't get a fine, the Czechs have no power over UK promoters but Kus might get a fine from his own country, or even a suspension. Redcar should have known all this, Kus frequently missed meetings when he was there before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevH Posted May 16, 2018 Report Share Posted May 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Speedway4ever said: A bit crap now if other Czech riders want to come to Britain or teams look to other Czech riders as that's knackered for them isn't it which I feel is unfair. Are you saying it is unfair for Czech riders to prioritise their own league and that their first allegiance should be to a foreign league, in this case the British? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New era Panthers Posted May 17, 2018 Report Share Posted May 17, 2018 (edited) 11 hours ago, erimus11 said: Just gets better and better. Ain't too impressed with Duffill's explanation either ( taken from Club website) “Matej Kus is required to race tonight in his home country, the Czech Republic. He has to be there or his federation will suspend his license, making it impossible for him to race here today. The BSPA will not recognise this meeting like they do in Denmark, Poland or Sweden, where we WOULD have got a facility. So he is penalised due to his nationality. We are forced to use a National League guest even though Matej is riding in his home country. I completely fail to understand how this is in the best interests of the sport and it is the paying public that suffer in the end. What a ridiculous situation!” It may well be a ridiculous situation but surely the management knew this before the season started! Right about one thing though - it's the paying public that suffer...yet again Damage limitation yet again I believe this rule regarding Czech riders has been in place for several years and also effects 1 or 2 other eastern European countries, no idea why there couldn't have been an agreement , it's just a shambles that any team that has this circumstance will have to suffer the consequences by being forced to bring in a N.L rider thus robbing the fans by weakening there team and making them less competitive . Surely it's about time the BSPA /SCB recognised this problem instead of sweeping it under the carpet . They should be trying to increase crowd levels in the U/K not driving fans away. I think the problem on reflection may have something to do with Czech's and a few others are not members of the ACU which is our governing body, so any change of ruling must be put before them. Edited May 17, 2018 by New era Panthers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedway4ever Posted May 17, 2018 Report Share Posted May 17, 2018 18 hours ago, KevH said: Are you saying it is unfair for Czech riders to prioritise their own league and that their first allegiance should be to a foreign league, in this case the British? It's unfair for everyone involved a rider will be penalised if they don't do what their federation says and it's rules to suit from the Governing body here who they choose to acknowledge team wise when they can for some but not others. Like I said rules to suit with those here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedway4ever Posted May 17, 2018 Report Share Posted May 17, 2018 But Matej's race rained off he's coming over for Redcar meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted May 17, 2018 Report Share Posted May 17, 2018 19 minutes ago, Speedway4ever said: It's unfair for everyone involved a rider will be penalised if they don't do what their federation says and it's rules to suit from the Governing body here who they choose to acknowledge team wise when they can for some but not others. Like I said rules to suit with those here. Yes but he rode for Redcar for years, he has always had these problems, what with this and his very erratic form, they might select their riders more wisely in future. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedcarRacer Posted May 17, 2018 Report Share Posted May 17, 2018 June 1 could see some interesting options - Pijper might be lucky to escape, Kus could very well be at reserve by that point... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevH Posted May 17, 2018 Report Share Posted May 17, 2018 21 hours ago, New era Panthers said: I think the problem on reflection may have something to do with Czech's and a few others are not members of the ACU which is our governing body, so any change of ruling must be put before them. Not sure what you mean here? The ACU (as you say) are our governing body, so how can the Czech's (for example) become members? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New era Panthers Posted May 17, 2018 Report Share Posted May 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, KevH said: Not sure what you mean here? The ACU (as you say) are our governing body, so how can the Czech's (for example) become members? I believe they have a different federation and are not in agreement for some reason or other with U/k taking priority over riders from the Czech republic for domestic fixtures. That is only part of it as I still don't understand why U/K can't allow guests to cover, unless its the ACU that will not accept it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevH Posted May 17, 2018 Report Share Posted May 17, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, New era Panthers said: I believe they have a different federation and are not in agreement for some reason or other with U/k taking priority over riders from the Czech republic for domestic fixtures. That is only part of it as I still don't understand why U/K can't allow guests to cover, unless its the ACU that will not accept it Yes, every nation has their own federation, which sets the rules and regulations for their respective countries. Naturally, each federation sets it's own nation as their priority and will tailor things to suit themselves. The decision not to allow facilities in the UK for riders riding in the Czech Republic will not, and can not be determined by the Czech authorities......it will be a ruling set by one or more of the UK governing bodies, which are the BSPA, the SCB, the ACU, or ultimately the RAC. Edited May 17, 2018 by KevH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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