Baldyman Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 (edited) Agree completely..I was wrong all along...just need to think of it differently..so maybe all speedway needs to keep it going is to somehow reduce its costs to its participants. To be honest I don't know why I get so bothered about things..cos I hardly go anymore anyway. Edited November 14, 2017 by baldyman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 Agree completely..I was wrong all along...just need to think of it differently..so maybe all speedway needs to keep it going is to somehow reduce its costs to its participants. well that would be a start Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 To be honest I don't know why I get so bothered about things..cos I hardly go anymore anyway.Me too - I havent been for about 3 weeks now 😜 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 There are very few positive ideas that has come from Speedway these past 20 yrs, but the points scoring is one of the best. It encourages teams to put in more effort in thier away matches knowing they could be rewarded with a point, which could be massive at the end of the season when chasing them all important playoff places... Going to places like Wolves or Lakeside, where home advantage was always more evident, to finish within 6points there is worth a point... Actually I don't know why it was changed last year, guaranteeing 3pts for a home win, I thought it was better before. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 Actually I don't know why it was changed last year, guaranteeing 3pts for a home win, I thought it was better before. It was changed because Jon Cook claimed when his team didnt win all the point at home fans felt like they had lost. Ironically the next season they lost quite a few at home anyway What next, give the home team 3 points just for turning up so you never leave having felt like you have lost? 3-2-1-0-1-2-3-4 was a good system, I'd like to see it go back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 The fact that Cook was heavily involved says it all. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 (edited) There are very few positive ideas that has come from Speedway these past 20 yrs, but the points scoring is one of the best. It encourages teams to put in more effort in thier away matches knowing they could be rewarded with a point, which could be massive at the end of the season when chasing them all important playoff places... Going to places like Wolves or Lakeside, where home advantage was always more evident, to finish within 6points there is worth a point... Actually I don't know why it was changed last year, guaranteeing 3pts for a home win, I thought it was better before. Are you saying the riders try harder cos of the away scoring system??? Surely they get paid for scoring..so I doubt the scoring system makes not the slightest difference. What a load to tosh Edited November 14, 2017 by baldyman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 Are you saying the riders try harder cos of the away scoring system??? Surely they get paid for scoring..so I doubt the scoring system makes not the slightest difference. What a load to tosh It can make the last few races more interesting for supporters (well, most of them anyway). As it is now, it is of no real significance to home supporters if the away team gain a point or not if they already have their three by heat 15. Another exampke is Swindon only tended to use Jason Doyle in heat 15 if they needed him. If they had 3 points in the bag then there was no real advantage to putting him in. I'm surprised you can't see that, actually. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 Then all i can say to that is..shame on swindon for mugging off there fans by not using their best riders on the night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 Then all i can say to that is..shame on swindon for mugging off there fans by not using their best riders on the night. Well he did have a broken foot. Trust me, Swindon fans didn't feel mugged off in 2017. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 Nope. Revert the current scoring system to its original guise, i.e. before Mr Cook etc al messed around with it and make the home team win by seven or more to collect all three points on offer. It's one of the few good ideas that the BSPA have had in years and is better than the bonus point IMO. Perhaps so but the fact is that getting home way past ten is going to put parents off. Earlier finishes = more kids. Mine always slept all the way home, probably didn't wake up til the morning, the transfer from car to bed was an art 😁 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 (edited) Professional Presentation 7.15pm Racing starts Prompt 7.30pm Track graded 7 mins after heat 4. Interval and track grading 15 mins after heat 10 Meeting Finish 9pm sharp. Riders available to mingle with fans till 9.30 then Finish.... Time to go home..... Sorry but you cannot go from heat 4 to heat 10 without a grade. The Polish Extraleague have it right.4 heats then short grade/watering. 3 heats short grade /watering 3 heats short grade/watering 3 heats short grade / watering Break for last 2 heats rider nominations and grade/water. Meetings are normally done and dusted in about 1hr 45 mins. The parade is always bang on 10 mins before start time and 1st race is always on start time. Edited November 14, 2017 by racers and royals 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Ward Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 One rule I would like to see brought in is the compulsory use of track covers. Clubs should maybe be given two years to put these in place but for me covers are a no brainer. Promotors are always moaning about the amount of money that they lose on rained off meetings so surely after a short period of time they would pay for themselves. What do other supporters think ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haza Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 One rule I would like to see brought in is the compulsory use of track covers. Clubs should maybe be given two years to put these in place but for me covers are a no brainer. Promotors are always moaning about the amount of money that they lose on rained off meetings so surely after a short period of time they would pay for themselves. What do other supporters think ? can’t see how - I’ve heard 20k to 25k price tag quoted how on earth is that viable for clubs that get say 1000 to 1500 fans per meeting ? Far cheaper to call the meeting off - it’s a no brainier if the crowds was 4 to 5 thousand but on current levels will never happen . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Ward Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 can’t see how - I’ve heard 20k to 25k price tag quoted how on earth is that viable for clubs that get say 1000 to 1500 fans per meeting ? Far cheaper to call the meeting off - it’s a no brainier if the crowds was 4 to 5 thousand but on current levels will never happen .didnt realise they cost that amount. Berwick have one surely they didn’t pay that sort of money. Out of interest how much does an air fence cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 One rule I would like to see brought in is the compulsory use of track covers. Clubs should maybe be given two years to put these in place but for me covers are a no brainer. Promotors are always moaning about the amount of money that they lose on rained off meetings so surely after a short period of time they would pay for themselves. What do other supporters think ? Well I hope you volunteer to put them down and take them up each meeting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haza Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 didnt realise they cost that amount. Berwick have one surely they didn’t pay that sort of money.Out of interest how much does an air fence cost. plastic sheeting is obviously much much cheaper but I’m talking covers like Vojens have used in the past Well I hope you volunteer to put them down and take them up each meeting. any hint of rain I stay away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solrac Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 Sorry but you cannot go from heat 4 to heat 10 without a grade. The Polish Extraleague have it right. 4 heats then short grade/watering. 3 heats short grade /watering 3 heats short grade/watering 3 heats short grade / watering Break for last 2 heats rider nominations and grade/water. Meetings are normally done and dusted in about 1hr 45 mins. The parade is always bang on 10 mins before start time and 1st race is always on start time. Spot on, the Poles run it properly. Nothing worse than a long drawn out meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 Spot on, the Poles run it properly. Nothing worse than a long drawn out meeting. Especially in March and Sept usually when it is cold, damp and dark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 The fact that Cook was heavily involved says it all. Cook has always been the one to promote dubious changes in everything. Back to 18 heats, 3team competitions, British Cup to fill in GP weekend fixtures, got 35 points limit agreed then came back for 36 for Elite teams so they 'could' include GP riders, etc. Are you saying the riders try harder cos of the away scoring system??? Surely they get paid for scoring..so I doubt the scoring system makes not the slightest difference. What a load to tosh Riders will and do try harder when they know a win will give the team a win, draw or extra bonus point. If YOU don't believe that, you must think they just go out and do what they want and don't ride for the team or the fans. They do. didnt realise they cost that amount. Berwick have one surely they didn’t pay that sort of money. Out of interest how much does an air fence cost. Depends of the length of the track of course, but about £25k for a smallish track for a blowup air fence, and about £30k for a foam filled one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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