Bagpuss Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 Simple question..... Would you bring team bonus points back for an overall aggregate win???? Nope. Revert the current scoring system to its original guise, i.e. before Mr Cook etc al messed around with it and make the home team win by seven or more to collect all three points on offer. It's one of the few good ideas that the BSPA have had in years and is better than the bonus point IMO. Parents worry too much about their children having late nights IMHO.. Perhaps so but the fact is that getting home way past ten is going to put parents off. Earlier finishes = more kids. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 Just as an aside... My lad plays U15 football and has now been playing for six years since he was eight... Every team he has played for has run their training evenings from 6pm through till 9pm with hourly slots... When he was 8, his side trained at six... Now he is 14, his side and the age above (last year of school age) train at eight till nine.. Youngest train first so get home earliest, oldest train last... None of the clubs have ever ran sessions after nine as simply there wouldnt be enough kids there to keep the clubs going... I would say 730 - 900 is the optimum time for Speedway to get most kids home by 930 and give people enough time to get home from work to attend.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 Parents worry too much about their children having late nights IMHO.. I agree. One night a week staying up a bit later is fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 Simple question..... Would you bring team bonus points back for an overall aggregate win???? No, but I'd bring back 2 points for winning by less that 6 at home. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 (edited) I would just like to see 3 for a win and 1 for a draw..plus bonus point for aggregate. Nice and simple. I can't ever understand getting rewarded for losing. Edited November 14, 2017 by baldyman 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 Quick answer !!! Loads of them, When at Silverstone recently there were loads of children, all wearing Rossi tee shirts.... Attracting the families does two things, 1 it enables the parents to pursue their interests and secondly it plants the seeds into the children mind for the years ahead. They say from little acorns grows big trees .... furthermore a family with children will always purchase more ( Food, Drinks, Tee-shirts, Flags) than those without, and the atmosphere is always more friendly when families are involved. Bigger crowd more noise.... It's a no brainer...... Thanks GRW. Apart from Speedway and the very occasional grasstrack meeting I have not been to any other motorsport event - so it was an honest question. I'm not suggesting the sport 'excludes' families - far from it - but simply concentrates its promotion of the sport to a different demographic group ie 16-30 yrs. Emphasise the danger, the speed, the 'gladiatorial' aspects of the sport rather than the 'happy-clappy, family-friendly' approach. Aside from the cost to families, there are lots of other family activities that can be far more attractive than speedway - especially when you take in the whole package of run-down facilities, beer and burgers that are the usual fare at most - not all - tracks. Just a thought - as the family-friendly approach can't be said to have been a brilliant success over past seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 i think the biggest farce is a draw 1 point for the home team 2 points for the away team so in fact the home team never drew in the first place they lost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 Why is it a farce? Home advantage is so strong in speedway that an away result of any kind should be worth more. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 Simple question..... Would you bring team bonus points back for an overall aggregate win???? No. It favours tracks with a big home advantage. Its right as it is now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 i think the biggest farce is a draw 1 point for the home team 2 points for the away team so in fact the home team never drew in the first place they lost It's not a farce at all. It was a good system. The only thing wrong with it was that it no longer needed a TR to be available, but it was still available. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray c Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 Why is it a farce? Home advantage is so strong in speedway that an away result of any kind should be worth more. i dont agree with you a draw is a draw in any sport its a good job we see it different though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 Joke rules in speedway...should never be rewarded for failure. But I suppose whilst whilst fans think joke rules are okay then it's always gonna be a joke. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 In don't see it as rewarding failure.....you are gaining a point and denying the home team one (in the original system) by putting up a good away performance in a sport where home advantage can be enormous and it can keep meetings alive where they may otherwise be over long before heat 15. The BSPA have very few good ideas but this was one and IMO worked well before they mucked around with it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hacksaw Jim Duggan Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 (edited) The aggregate score didn’t offer much of anything other than favouring sides who had home advantage. It didn’t really offer much to fans on the night as most in attendance don’t particularly care about meetings they didn’t attend, the current system makes the in the moment meeting better and adds value to that, which is a good thing. Is it a joke rule etc that wouldn’t work in football or other sports, yeah maybe - but it is a completely different sport with a different set of circumstances and rules, football is more credible than speedway etc and so on but it doesn’t mean I am that bothered for using the offside rule at a speedway meeting, or a scrum – it’s a different sport, it likely will throw up rules other sports don’t use…shock horror. Edited November 14, 2017 by Hacksaw Jim Duggan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 Joke rules in speedway...should never be rewarded for failure. But I suppose whilst whilst fans think joke rules are okay then it's always gonna be a joke. Do people think Rugby Union is a joke too? From Wikipedia: 4 points for winning a match 2 points for drawing a match 0 points for losing a match 1 losing bonus point for losing by 7 points (or fewer) 1 try bonus point for scoring 4 tries (or more) In this system, winning teams get 4 or 5 points; drawing teams 2 or 3 points; and losing teams 0, 1, or 2 points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 (edited) Obviously I'm not as old as some...but when speedway was in its heyday and drawing massive crowds and so on..does anybody know the tactical rules and scoring system??? Obviously something was working way better back then than it does now.. Do people think Rugby Union is a joke too? From Wikipedia: 4 points for winning a match 2 points for drawing a match 0 points for losing a match 1 losing bonus point for losing by 7 points (or fewer) 1 try bonus point for scoring 4 tries (or more) In this system, winning teams get 4 or 5 points; drawing teams 2 or 3 points; and losing teams 0, 1, or 2 points. Yeah I think it's a joke..but I don't watch rugby, so don't really care about their rules...like someone said...different sports. I just don't think failure should be rewarded...but that's me...Maybe its me and the way I think that's the joke🤔🤔I don't watch football either so don't really know about their rules either. Edited November 14, 2017 by baldyman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hacksaw Jim Duggan Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 I really don’t think the oft used line about the crowds the sport used to attract is the hammer blow, argument ender some appear to think it is when used as a counter to nuances people don’t like . It is now the best part of 40 years since speedway attracted crowds to brag about, crowds were on the slide wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy before most of the rules that have apparently driven fans away were introduced. I highly doubt crowds would return in their 1,000s as some appear to think if the sport removed tactical rules, doubling up etc. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 (edited) Now that I do agree with...speedway will never be anything more than a tin pot sport..and will one day die in its current form as the oldies do. Is speedway actually growing in Poland??? Are they getting bigger crowds than say 10 years ago? If so how are they doing it?. Edited November 14, 2017 by baldyman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 (edited) Cricket offers losing bonus points too. Don't think either rugby union or cricket are or ever have been joke sports. There is plenty wrong with speedway in the UK but the scoring system ain't one of em. Edited November 14, 2017 by Gordon Bennett 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hacksaw Jim Duggan Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 (edited) Now that I do agree with...speedway will never be anything more than a tin pot sport..and will one day die in its current form as the oldies do. I agree to a certain extent, but it has been that way for the best part of 15/20 years, it is as tin pot as lower league football and other local community sports that as a general rule don’t attract massive attendances. If the delusion is removed and people stop comparing attendances to 40/50 years ago and compare them to 10/20 years ago…..more likely to see speedway has been in a pretty consistent place in this country for a long time, it isn’t a big sport, little point thinking about it as one. Speaking about speedway in a way that it is a rule change away from being like the 70's is moon howler behaviour - it is best to make the best small sport it can be, and it seems for the most part fans much prefer the loosing bonus point system Edited November 14, 2017 by Hacksaw Jim Duggan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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