Grachan Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 There are two reasonably simply ways to stop gardening at the tapes. 1) Concrete starting area, like tracks used to have. Never saw a rider try to dig up a concrete starting grid! 2) A line ten feet from the tapes. Riders are not allowed over that line until the start marshall gives them a signal and then they are only allowed to move forward to the tapes with NO backing up allowed. Any rider who does not go straight from the line to the tapes and stop will be put on 15 yard hadicap. (1) would mean a cost to every track so (2) may be preferred by promotors but (1) does solve the problem with no chance of gardening! Nothing wrong with "gardening" as far as I can see. As long as riders are at the start and ready to go when the 2 minutes are up, then what's the problem? If they are still digging about when the two minutes expires then exclude them. That's all you need to do. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 i would think the bar and cafe takings are available to only the minority of tracks; KL, Redcar, buxton, Somerset mbe Plymouth err.... i thnk thats it edit maybe Glasgow, Rye House You can add Scunny to your list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 You can add Scunny to your list. BELLE Vue and Eastbourne ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 BELLE Vue and Eastbourne ... I thought one of the issues at BV was that the club didn't get the catering money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 I thought one of the issues at BV was that the club didn't get the catering money? BELIEVE they franchise it out but get paid for that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredbogge Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 I thought one of the issues at BV was that the club didn't get the catering money? I thought that was at the dog hole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 I thought that was at the dog hole TRUE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skodaman Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 Utter rubbish. I know for a fact that at Lynn Chapman gets the receipts from the bars and snacks and so I would imagine that is the case at some other tracks too, so try again please and give me another reason if mine isn't relevant, why most meetings drag on for sooooooooooooooo long. The referee is responsible for keeping the meetings moving. He should put the riders on two minutes as soon as the riders from the previous race have cleared the track. At Blackbird Road, they had a presentation at 7:45, 20 races and I was still in the pub by 10pm most weeks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 The referee is responsible for keeping the meetings moving. He should put the riders on two minutes as soon as the riders from the previous race have cleared the track. At Blackbird Road, they had a presentation at 7:45, 20 races and I was still in the pub by 10pm most weeks. And that was probably why the sport don't attract enough young families with children. !0pm finish for them would be way too late... Yes the referee can put the 2min warning on , but he is governed by track work and riders having successive races.. That would create time waiting issues... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 There are two reasonably simply ways to stop gardening at the tapes. 1) Concrete starting area, like tracks used to have. Never saw a rider try to dig up a concrete starting grid! 2) A line ten feet from the tapes. Riders are not allowed over that line until the start marshall gives them a signal and then they are only allowed to move forward to the tapes with NO backing up allowed. Any rider who does not go straight from the line to the tapes and stop will be put on 15 yard hadicap. (1) would mean a cost to every track so (2) may be preferred by promotors but (1) does solve the problem with no chance of gardening! A simple timer clock at the tapes, ready to go at 0000! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 The referee is responsible for keeping the meetings moving. He should put the riders on two minutes as soon as the riders from the previous race have cleared the track. At Blackbird Road, they had a presentation at 7:45, 20 races and I was still in the pub by 10pm most weeks. Maybe they should ask Frank Ebdon to do a referees seminar where he cam enlighten the present crop on methods of getting through the racing. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 Well OK then, not many other tracks probably have the same excuse but I was basing my answer on my experiences at Lynn and also in reply to several people who were citing Lynn as an example of where the meetings are terribly dragged out. I still really can't see the benefits of purposly dragging out a meeting for any other reasons than what I have stated though but accept that this WON'T be the reason at SOME tracks. Try MOST instead of SOME. More wiggle room for you to get out of your original statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 Quick question - how many other motor sports attract - or attempt to attract - a young family audience?! I'd have thought that the 16-30 age group should be the key target audience as they have some reasonable spending power and if hooked could be the regular fans of the next 10-20 years!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agrotron Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 I thought that was at the dog hole Ipswich? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 There are some great ideas on this forum, I wonder if any of the "promoters" have read them? I would doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboy cookie returns? Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 I first went to Ipswich as a 10 year old with school the next day and I remember lots of kids my age being there every week Thursday racing was not a problem. Almost always home by 10 to 10.15 after 20 to 24 races every week. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 Simple question..... Would you bring team bonus points back for an overall aggregate win???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 Would you bring team bonus points back for an overall aggregate win???? Yep. But TR scores are not calculated in the Aggregate Point. If Belle Vue draw 45-45 with Somerset at Somerset without using a TR but Somerset win at Belle Vue 46-47 (due to an 6 point TR score) Belle Vue get the aggregate bonus. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 I first went to Ipswich as a 10 year old with school the next day and I remember lots of kids my age being there every week Thursday racing was not a problem. Almost always home by 10 to 10.15 after 20 to 24 races every week.Parents worry too much about their children having late nights IMHO.. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 Quick question - how many other motor sports attract - or attempt to attract - a young family audience?! I'd have thought that the 16-30 age group should be the key target audience as they have some reasonable spending power and if hooked could be the regular fans of the next 10-20 years!! Quick answer !!! Loads of them, When at Silverstone recently there were loads of children, all wearing Rossi tee shirts.... Attracting the families does two things, 1 it enables the parents to pursue their interests and secondly it plants the seeds into the children mind for the years ahead. They say from little acorns grows big trees .... furthermore a family with children will always purchase more ( Food, Drinks, Tee-shirts, Flags) than those without, and the atmosphere is always more friendly when families are involved. Bigger crowd more noise.... It's a no brainer...... 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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