Sings4Speedway Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 (edited) Just goes to show that yet again the sport shoots itself in the foot. The number of teams that offer MDL/SDL opportunities is appalling and these will be the first clubs to complain when there are no decent 3.00 riders around. Unless teams start showing an interest in who is going to be coming into the sport the following year there will be no following years. (apologies to Islander15 as the thread has been hijacked) Edited November 1, 2017 by Sings4Speedway 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GiveusaB Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 Â All depends if they ban trebling up? If they do the likes of Bewley, Smith, Zach Waj, Morley, Ayres etc may well step up out of the league. Going to be very hard for all sides to build competitively in that scenario, some will but some will be severely weakened and will make for an even more divided league Bewley wont be allowed to ride NL this season, his championship average is too high ? (I think that's how it works?) Besides, he's far too good for NL now and apart from machine testing, the NL will be of no technical benefit towards his progression, imo . Averages and points limit cripple speedway at all levels. Riders should be categorised A/B/C and selections made accordingly. (imo) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalterPlinge Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 The points limit for a "static" league where the same number of teams and the same riders compete each year should be 42. Â However the NL is about development. Riders start out on 3.00 and progress through to the higher leagues (e.g. Bewley has done it in record time and is now too good for NL with a high CL average). Every year each team should be moving a 9 or 10 point rider on to the higher league, and replacing with a 3.00 newcomer. Â So the average we should be looking at is 42 - 9 pt rider + 3 pt rider = 36 Â Obviously every team isn't going to be able to move their No.1 up, (although they all should be introducing a new 3.00) so we need some wiggle room and I'd say we should be looking nearer 37.5 or 38 for the ideal points limit. Â If any teams drop out of the league (Lakeside or cradley etc) then the limit needs to be nudged upwards. If new teams come in it needs to be nudged downwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adz_mft Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 I'd love to know where all these 3 pointers will come from that people keep mentioning. Look at the u15 500cc from this year. The final round had 3 riders in it!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted November 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 I'd love to know where all these 3 pointers will come from that people keep mentioning. Look at the u15 500cc from this year. The final round had 3 riders in it!! Itll just force teams to pick 3.00 riders who arent really upto it and end up with the same problem that Lakeside or Isle of Wight did this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moleman27 Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 But you still need to make the league competitive, so you set the points limit on the amount of teams in the league that year and the situation on what average riders are available, so personally a 40 too 41 point limit is really what we should be aiming towards from looking at what riders are likely too go up and what should be available. Then expect limit will be dropped for year after as their should be quite a few more new youngsters coming though from 250cc youth championship this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaboy279 Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 I'd love to know where all these 3 pointers will come from that people keep mentioning. Look at the u15 500cc from this year. The final round had 3 riders in it!! The problem is there are to many know it alls who don't get off thier bums on a cold Sunday morning and attend these practice sessions and amateur meetings.I can honestly say I reckon there is no more then 10 x 3 pointers anywhere near ready. And that includes the known riders Kemp, edwards, Spooner, O Keefe, Laker, Couzins, Locke, Bowdery. Whilst there is hot talent coming through they are either 2 young to ride yet, or just far too raw. If the limit does not go up it will kill meetings as a spectacle imo. Itll just force teams to pick 3.00 riders who arent really upto it and end up with the same problem that Lakeside or Isle of Wight did this season.Tbf Couzins and Locke Portwood and Sealey could have a season of filling thier boots at reserve if the average stays low,BUT they will then be saddled with a over inflated average the following season and will struggle to get team places as a result. To enable development we need a stronger league so youngsters will have to have beaten decent riders in order to up thier averages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East End Fan Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 Lakeside suffered this year because of the lack of 3 pointers who could actually score 3 points. Nothing has changed, no new riders have suddenly appeared. There is no doubt that ANY kid with a bit of talent WILL find a team place in the National League no matter what team average is applied. These are the riders we all love to see progress, the Ben Morleys of this World are the target for them to aim at, so any team with a good mix of both kinds will be popular with their fans. Loved the comment by "Sings 4speedway". Clearly not a Len Silver fan. I had many years attending at both West Ham and Hackney The Hawks never won anything, but the entertainment was terrific, so Len was rarely criticised in those days. I went to Sittingbourne a few times this year, especially when either the full Hammers team was there, or as was often the case, Ben Morley was guesting for them. No signs of Len jumping about on the centre green as he did at Hackney, but in the main the racing was exciting and I was less than happy that the Kings finished above the Hammers In the final table. How much was attributable to Len, I don't know. Chris Hunt seems to be a decent team manager, so what is it that "Sings4speedway" is unhappy about ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnTwo Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 Maybe its the blue groove after heat 1 lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 You are correct that im not Lens greatest fan but im equally happy to admit that he has done a huge amount for the sport over the years and in bringing speedway back to Kent. I generally find the racing and entertainment good st Sittingbourne and that is what i am looking for from my speedway so no complaints from me there. I was purely stating that this season he built a side based upon the 40 point limit then got caught out when it was dropped to 39 hence no place for Shanes and Stoneman was included instead as all the others had been announced. Could Kent have finished even higher with Shanes + 3.00 pointer rather than Stoneman & Clifton? We will never know...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whistlegang Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 Lakeside suffered this year because of the lack of 3 pointers who could actually score 3 points. Nothing has changed, no new riders have suddenly appeared. There is no doubt that ANY kid with a bit of talent WILL find a team place in the National League no matter what team average is applied. These are the riders we all love to see progress, the Ben Morleys of this World are the target for them to aim at, so any team with a good mix of both kinds will be popular with their fans. Loved the comment by "Sings 4speedway". Clearly not a Len Silver fan. I had many years attending at both West Ham and Hackney The Hawks never won anything, but the entertainment was terrific, so Len was rarely criticised in those days. I went to Sittingbourne a few times this year, especially when either the full Hammers team was there, or as was often the case, Ben Morley was guesting for them. No signs of Len jumping about on the centre green as he did at Hackney, but in the main the racing was exciting and I was less than happy that the Kings finished above the Hammers In the final table. How much was attributable to Len, I don't know. Chris Hunt seems to be a decent team manager, so what is it that "Sings4speedway" is unhappy about ? George Hunter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 I think you could see the young star come back as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottCampos178 Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 I think you could see the young star come back as well. That won't be happening for a while... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnTwo Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 The young stars wont survive in a 40 point limit though like previous years their home track record is near on unbeatable but away theyre pretty bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East End Fan Posted November 4, 2017 Report Share Posted November 4, 2017 Yes, I see your point Sings4Speedway, Shanes would obviously have been a major force in the league, but the 3 pointer to go with him ( probably Spooner ?) would have counteracted his scores. But in the event, both Stoneman and Clifton got serious injuries which COULD have been anticipated as both of them had dodgy legs anyway. A more astute promoter may have taken that into consideration perhaps ? As it happens, Kent's 3rd place in the table wasn't exactly a failure, annoying me personally as my team then finished below them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eaglesno1 Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 Portwood confirmed for the Warriors. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moleman27 Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 Portwood's signed for IOW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaboy279 Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 Dugard confirmed for eastbourne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 Increase the limit to 40 and make the league more challenging, not such a gap up to the Championship. Reducing it is not answer as there are not enough youngsters to fill the lower end. Must say that I have seen some great meetings this year with all riders just getting on with it. The average limit each year should be 42.00 (7 X 6.00) so if the team limit is "raised" to 40.00 the league will still be weaker than this year! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzac Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 (edited) All 3 leagues 42.5, then leave it alone. Every one will be able to build from the last greensheets from November. Only thing may need tweaking is the conversion between the various leagues. Edited November 23, 2017 by gazzac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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