JOS50 Posted November 4, 2017 Report Share Posted November 4, 2017 Weymouth, from the early sixties until its demise. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted November 4, 2017 Report Share Posted November 4, 2017 Weymouth, from the early sixties until its demise. Yes Lew Coffin...didn't Bob Kilby start there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted November 4, 2017 Report Share Posted November 4, 2017 Didn't Barry Thomas' father help set up Iwade?Been fairly successful over the years and now one of the younger members of my family is riding quite regularly there having started at a beginners course at IoW.Just got his first bike last week and after 6 sessions looks fairly good from the videos i have seen.Doesn't seem to have any fear of the bends!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOS50 Posted November 4, 2017 Report Share Posted November 4, 2017 Didn't Barry Thomas' father help set up Iwade?Been fairly successful over the years and now one of the younger members of my family is riding quite regularly there having started at a beginners course at IoW.Just got his first bike last week and after 6 sessions looks fairly good from the videos i have seen.Doesn't seem to have any fear of the bends!!! His brother Ivor (RIP) was the driving force, along with Barry at Iwade. Yes Lew Coffin...didn't Bob Kilby start there? Yes, as stated in Lee's book he rode at Weymouth four times only, then at the pre season trials at Swindon and once after the meeting at Oxford and then second half rides at Swindon. He had however practised in a field near Uffington a fair bit. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted November 4, 2017 Report Share Posted November 4, 2017 they need access to nl but can't get it because of riders who haven't moved to cl who haven't moved up because of all the riders who should have moved up to div 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted November 4, 2017 Report Share Posted November 4, 2017 His brother Ivor (RIP) was the driving force, along with Barry at Iwade. Â Thanks.Knew it was Ivor Brown,but thought he was Barrys dad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCOGNITO Posted November 4, 2017 Report Share Posted November 4, 2017 Have no interest at all in F1 so Lewis Hamilton doesnt appear on my radar and I will pay attention to the other one when he gets his head out of his arse and shows british speedway some respect  Very surprised at your view Deano as you are someone close enough to know many of the things that went on behind the scenes and the views Tai has on riding in or for Britain and thought you would be more backing him than this as many of your posts are not a million miles away from his opinion too.   Just think Tai was fortunate and won his titles when there's been a lack of genuine world class riders. You have a near-50 year-old still a threat; an Aussie who could be on his second successive win (but for injury) when Leigh Adams, a real star rider took yonks to win even one round. Jason Doyle or Jason Crump? Where have all the star names gone. No consistency these days.  There have been some pretty tough line ups in recent years and don't think he was fortunate in any way as he came in at a time many thought he would fail due to the quality of riders around at the time.   Woffinden is the same rider he was when he won 2 world titles , difference is now he has decent opposition , and boy does it show   Two world titles in line ups that were arguably the best fifteen riders at the time with very few exceptions while many a World Title has been won on a one day format racing against Continental riders that were way below standard and some others just scraping through to the finals.   Out of the modern day rider since the GP series started Crump,Ricko,Gollob are the only three riders that i would have anywhere near a top 10/15 of all time. Hans Nielsen, Greg Hancock, Nicki Pedersen, Tai Woffinden all deserve to be alongside these as their records show they beat the best in front of them and while Nielsen won the majority before the GP Series, he would have won considerably more had the GPs come in ten years earlier. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted November 4, 2017 Report Share Posted November 4, 2017 Very surprised at your view Deano as you are someone close enough to know many of the things that went on behind the scenes and the views Tai has on riding in or for Britain and thought you would be more backing him than this as many of your posts are not a million miles away from his opinion too. Â Â There have been some pretty tough line ups in recent years and don't think he was fortunate in any way as he came in at a time many thought he would fail due to the quality of riders around at the time. Â Two world titles in line ups that were arguably the best fifteen riders at the time with very few exceptions while many a World Title has been won on a one day format racing against Continental riders that were way below standard and some others just scraping through to the finals. Â Hans Nielsen, Greg Hancock, Nicki Pedersen, Tai Woffinden all deserve to be alongside these as their records show they beat the best in front of them and while Nielsen won the majority before the GP Series, he would have won considerably more had the GPs come in ten years earlier. Nielsen i was never a fan of his but in later years he grew on me i see alot of him at Oxford.What a rider a class act a class bloke as well i also remember him as a superb team rider he helped Sorensen,Rasmussen,Dugard,Butler develop.When you look back he should of won 6/8 titles he was that good he would be in my top 6 of alltime no one around at the moment comes close to Hans. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted November 4, 2017 Report Share Posted November 4, 2017 Agree Tai Hancock pedersen all in the top 30 of all time and all ahead of gollob. Gollob for me is one of the greatest single world champs, but Id rank him behind Collins and perhaps Lee, though ahead of the likes of Doyle and Michanek. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted November 4, 2017 Report Share Posted November 4, 2017 (edited) Yes,for me greatness means winning those heats those meetings that really count.It is a bit skewed to look and say Gollob or maybe even Leigh Adams were more consistent,but when it counted they didn't do the business.Gollob,ok on one ocassion when it looked like he might have won had bad luck and got injured.But it is winning the titles that count as great. Â And to say Nielsen was far better than any of his rivals is nonsense again...... Edited November 4, 2017 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted November 4, 2017 Report Share Posted November 4, 2017 (edited) Yes,for me greatness means winning those heats those meetings that really count.It is a bit skewed to look and say Gollob or maybe even Leigh Adams were more consistent,but when it counted they didn't do the business.Gollob,ok on one ocassion when it looked like he might have won had bad luck and got injured.But it is winning the titles that count as great. Â And to say Nielsen was far better than any of his rivals is nonsense again...... ...during the middle late eighties he was awesome and if the GP series had been in place then he would have been the man the beat. Â A view shared by John Berry. Edited November 4, 2017 by steve roberts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney the robin Posted November 4, 2017 Report Share Posted November 4, 2017 Agree Tai Hancock pedersen all in the top 30 of all time and all ahead of gollob. Gollob for me is one of the greatest single world champs, but Id rank him behind Collins and perhaps Lee, though ahead of the likes of Doyle and Michanek. Lee and Gollob for me are very similar both had real natual talent but both UNDEACHIEVED and should of achieved more.But when you look back both ended up with decent records in WC competition Gollob in his race with Jimmy Nilsen (what a race) shows him at his very best.Lee/Collins both for me would get in a top 20 they were that good going back to Gollob i was so glad when he won his title because it would of been a travesty if he hadnt. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted November 4, 2017 Report Share Posted November 4, 2017 His brother Ivor (RIP) was the driving force, along with Barry at Iwade. Yes, as stated in Lee's book he rode at Weymouth four times only, then at the pre season trials at Swindon and once after the meeting at Oxford and then second half rides at Swindon. He had however practised in a field near Uffington a fair bit. ...a great read! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted November 4, 2017 Report Share Posted November 4, 2017 (edited) It will be interesting to see how Doyle goes next year.Always thought it was a chink in Crumps armour that he looked brilliant at times when winning his titles,but when it came to defending it,he looked a completely different rider  Always seemed to me that winning a title is difficult,but retaining it,even harder Edited November 4, 2017 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted November 4, 2017 Report Share Posted November 4, 2017 (edited) Â All I need to 'recheck' Backtrack for is to be able to provide some examples, as requested. Quite a simple concept. Â As for 'knowing it all', rather childish statement. It would be rather foolish to post about something I don't think I am correct on, perhaps this is where you are going wrong? Â Sorry about the "childish" statement. You are not a "know-it-all" my friend. Many have already proved that. Â Why can't we all get on? Â Sorry again. I'll leave you to get your Backtracks out. Edited November 4, 2017 by moxey63 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted November 4, 2017 Report Share Posted November 4, 2017 It's always educational on here...at varying levels of sustained interest! Â However when you've had a chance to check out back numbers of 'Backtrack' I'll be keen to see evidence of your claim that riders with no experience gaining team slots within a number of weeks during the seventies? Some examples would be beneficial. Â Â Think he means King Cinder! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted November 4, 2017 Report Share Posted November 4, 2017 Â Â Think he means King Cinder! Wasn't there a TV drama with that name that was filmed at Rye House starring Peter Duncan during the seventies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted November 4, 2017 Report Share Posted November 4, 2017 Wasn't there a TV drama with that name that was filmed at Rye House starring Peter Duncan during the seventies? Â Yes... and Peter Duncan had no experience but went right into that fictional speedway team. So it did happen in the seventies. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted November 4, 2017 Report Share Posted November 4, 2017 Whatever happened to 'Eating Dust' the Film? Â Genuine question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted November 4, 2017 Report Share Posted November 4, 2017 Â Yes... and Peter Duncan had no experience but went right into that fictional speedway team. So it did happen in the seventies. Â Â Â I see your reference to it now...in the latest 'Backtrack' edition awaiting my attention having just got in from work! Â So it did Peter Duncan...Didn't help John Noakes or Peter Purvis though! Whatever happened to 'Eating Dust' the Film? Â Genuine question. Never heard of this one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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