chunky Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 Interesting to see all the online comments regarding Lewis Hamilton today. With a fourth World Championship under his belt (more than any other British driver), he is being lauded as an all-time great. Tai Woffinden, on the other hand, has two World Championships to his name, along with a second and a third (more than any other British rider), yet there are speedway fans who don't even consider him even ONE of the best Brits. Sigh... Steve 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 Interesting to see all the online comments regarding Lewis Hamilton today. With a fourth World Championship under his belt (more than any other British driver), he is being lauded as an all-time great. Tai Woffinden, on the other hand, has two World Championships to his name, along with a second and a third (more than any other British rider), yet there are speedway fans who don't even consider him even ONE of the best Brits. Sigh... Steve Others do though. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 Interesting to see all the online comments regarding Lewis Hamilton today. With a fourth World Championship under his belt (more than any other British driver), he is being lauded as an all-time great. Tai Woffinden, on the other hand, has two World Championships to his name, along with a second and a third (more than any other British rider), yet there are speedway fans who don't even consider him even ONE of the best Brits. Sigh... Steve I don't think anyone could seriously deny his achievements, that doesn't make him universally popular or beyond criticism though. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 As long as you're not suggesting that Tai Woffinden is one of the all-time greats . . . yes, he is one of the best Brits, but nothing more 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woofers Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 Well, I have little time for either of them. I don't doubt their respective skills in handling high powered machinery at all and I can't argue against the record books. Perhaps it's down to the type of 'PR' coverage these days, but I just can't warm to them as personalities. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted October 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 (edited) Others do though. Coming from someone who doesn't rate Bruce Penhall as a great... Steve Edited October 30, 2017 by chunky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 Coming from someone who doesn't rate Bruce Penhall as a great... Steve What the hell has that got to do with my opinion of Tai? Perhaps Penhall was a great Rider n your book and perhaps my views are coloured by his behaviour. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Shoe Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 For a lot of speedway fans it's probably simply a case of out of sight out of mind. As i don't go to or watch SGP on TV if a rider doesn't ride in the UK then to me they are completely off the speedway radar and i don't even give them a thought. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 Interesting to see all the online comments regarding Lewis Hamilton today. With a fourth World Championship under his belt (more than any other British driver), he is being lauded as an all-time great. Tai Woffinden, on the other hand, has two World Championships to his name, along with a second and a third (more than any other British rider), yet there are speedway fans who don't even consider him even ONE of the best Brits. Sigh... Steve Many of them think he is a Aussie though !!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 Many of them think he is a Aussie though !!!!!!! Obviously they come from the Planet 'Wibble'. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted October 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 What the hell has that got to do with my opinion of Tai? Perhaps Penhall was a great Rider n your book and perhaps my views are coloured by his behaviour. Same thing... People don't rate Tai - and disregard his ability AND achievements - because they don't like him. You disregard Penhall's ability AND his achievements because you don't like him. Yeah, nobody else has ever retired from the sport mid-season... I couldn't stand Carter, and I don't like NP either, but I can't dismiss them just because of my personal feelings. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 Same thing... People don't rate Tai - and disregard his ability AND achievements - because they don't like him. You disregard Penhall's ability AND his achievements because you don't like him. Yeah, nobody else has ever retired from the sport mid-season... I couldn't stand Carter, and I don't like NP either, but I can't dismiss them just because of my personal feelings. Steve Neither could I. He was a great Rider though......................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 (edited) Have no interest at all in F1 so Lewis Hamilton doesnt appear on my radar and I will pay attention to the other one when he gets his head out of his arse and shows british speedway some respect Edited October 30, 2017 by THE DEAN MACHINE 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted October 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 (edited) Neither could I. He was a great Rider though.........................So was Penhall... Better than the riders you rated above him... As long as you're not suggesting that Tai Woffinden is one of the all-time greats . . . yes, he is one of the best Brits, but nothing moreBut it has been stated on the BSF that he is not even ONE of the best Brits... Steve Edited October 30, 2017 by chunky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 So was Penhall... Better than the riders you rated above him... But it has been stated on the BSF that he is not even ONE of the best Brits... Steve So his behaviour counts for nothing in your eyes then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 I think one forumite rates a rider who never won a world title and threatened to kill a fellow rider on track over Tai.And as far as I can tell that is because Tai has tattoos!!!!! Strange world,strange petson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted October 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 So his behaviour counts for nothing in your eyes then?If you are asking, "Does his behaviour negate his ability and achievements?", then the answer is a resounding "NO"! No matter how hard you try, Penhall proved himself on the track. Same with Carter. Most of us know that there are those out there who want his name expunged from speedway history. Tough. What he did was wrong, very wrong, but his record on the track speaks for itself. I really don't understand why people get so butthurt when somebody has the audacity to use logic, reason, and FACT to substantiate their position. You admit yourself that Carter was brilliant, but cannot bring yourself to say the same about Penhall? So, are you saying that it is okay to murder your wife and still be rated as a speedway great, but to retire mid-season to take up other employment is absolutely unforgivable? Steve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 If you are asking, "Does his behaviour negate his ability and achievements?", then the answer is a resounding "NO"! No matter how hard you try, Penhall proved himself on the track. Same with Carter. Most of us know that there are those out there who want his name expunged from speedway history. Tough. What he did was wrong, very wrong, but his record on the track speaks for itself. I really don't understand why people get so butthurt when somebody has the audacity to use logic, reason, and FACT to substantiate their position. You admit yourself that Carter was brilliant, but cannot bring yourself to say the same about Penhall? So, are you saying that it is okay to murder your wife and still be rated as a speedway great, but to retire mid-season to take up other employment is absolutely unforgivable? Steve Carter was an honest racer, Penhall is remembered for not being so. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted October 30, 2017 Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 (edited) Interesting to see all the online comments regarding Lewis Hamilton today. With a fourth World Championship under his belt (more than any other British driver), he is being lauded as an all-time great. Tai Woffinden, on the other hand, has two World Championships to his name, along with a second and a third (more than any other British rider), yet there are speedway fans who don't even consider him even ONE of the best Brits. Sigh... Steve Just think Tai was fortunate and won his titles when there's been a lack of genuine world class riders. You have a near-50 year-old still a threat; an Aussie who could be on his second successive win (but for injury) when Leigh Adams, a real star rider took yonks to win even one round. Jason Doyle or Jason Crump? Where have all the star names gone. No consistency these days. Edited October 30, 2017 by moxey63 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chunky Posted October 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2017 (edited) Carter was an honest racer, Penhall is remembered for not being so.Assuming you are talking about the infamous incident at White City, then you must also feel the same way about Olsen, Gundersen, Mauger, Betts, and countless other riders who have done exactly the same thing? Just think Tai was fortunate and won his titles when there's been a lack of genuine world class riders. You have a near-50 year-old still a threat; an Aussie who could be on his second successive win (but for injury) when Leigh Adams, a real star rider took yonks to win even one round. Jason Doyle or Jason Crump? Where have all the star names gone. No consistency these days. You do raise some interesting points. I am not sure if there has been a lack of genuine world-class riders, or perhaps a lot of us are just living in the past? When we think of "superstars", it is easy to come up with Moore, Fundin, Nielsen, Collins, Mauger, Penhall etc, but it does seem that we are reluctant - VERY reluctant - to accept that some of the modern era riders are the equivalent. I do accept your point about the consistency, but is that because the riders aren't as good, or is it that there are so many at the same level? Of course, it could be - and this is my own personal feeling - that the tracks and the machinery have a much bigger impact than we really want to believe. Steve Edited October 30, 2017 by chunky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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