CUFC_Brummie Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 What a terrible decision, I think the near universal disapproval of it on here says it all, but the blinkered will only see what they choose to see. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 I can only see one reason that SWC is scrapped and you lot are arguing, and that is that not enogh countries want to ride in SWC. It's cause-and-effect though. If it were worth their while to ride in the SWC, I'm sure they could manage to rustle up 4 riders. And lest we not forget that the best 'pairs' is actually 3 riders, so only one rider more. So they are forgetting that one and hoping that smaller teams will results in more teams/countries. There are effectively only 9 countries who play test cricket, but that doesn't mean that the top echelon in that sport reverts to playing single wicket cricket. In fact, that only a few nations are good enough to complete actually adds prestige to that format of the sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 This years SWC was a great weekend in Manchester. whereas i had a great weekend in Kings Lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cheese Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 SWC week is always one of the highlights of the year so disappointing to see it go, not a fan of pairs meetings especially when they are actually teams of 3 riders 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 (edited) Actually having read what Castagna says and the other stuff about it in The Star today.It doesn't even look as if it is going to be ANYTHING like a World Pairs Championship of any type either.That is a total red herring.They have plans for something much worse.This 'Speedway of Nations' sounds like a right 'Horlicks' of a competition.The sort that is dreamed up by a committee with the remit of trying to please the all the lowly, pointless federations at the expense of the core Speedway world.In the end we have to suffer a 'push-me-pull-you' abortion that should have been binned at conception.Pleasing absolutely no one.And having to be dumped as quietly as possible at the next Annual Junket..A bit like Promotion and Relegation in British Speedway.These folk are just not fit for purpose. Edited November 30, 2017 by Grand Central Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 (edited) THE proof of the pudding will be in the eating. We shall see. Edited November 30, 2017 by PHILIPRISING Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 THE proof of the pudding will be fun the eating. We shall see. Yup. And Speedway has forced me to eat some pretty dodgy 'puddings' in my time. Bags first dibs on the Alka Seltzer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 (edited) THE proof of the pudding will be fun the eating. We shall see. Des(s)ert would be a more appropriate word. Edited November 30, 2017 by Hodgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 There is some bizarre logic going on here to try and make sense of this decision. It has been well established that often early rounds of the SWC are not well attended but the Final tends to sell out. Instead of rejigging the formula or coming up with workarounds to solve that conundrum we throw the baby out with the bath water. And PR tells us that there will not just be a crappy Pairs Final but there will be more meetings than that. Why does anyone think those other rounds will be any more 'money spinners' than in the SWC. Is it not just as likely that they will be financial millstones to the organisers just the same No doubt Denmark or Sweden or maybe even Germany might want to host some sort of quali round where their team is more than likely going to get through if half the teams do and they are up against Finland,Italy,Hungary,who will obviously be far more competitive than they would be in the SWC Trouble is when you get a quali in Russia and half the teams don't turn up and so you have Russia 1,Russia 2 and Russia 3 alongside some made up Crovakia team and some Argentinian geezer alongside Greg to make an Americas team.After a few years surely Finland and Hungary will get fed up not qualifying and travelling long distances for the honour,just like they have with the SWC...... And to add to it,we the fans will have been well and truly p'd off by it all 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 MOST of that is what would probably now be called "fake news." Some Argentinian geezer alongside Greg ... where did that come from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 (edited) MOST of that is what would probably now be called "fake news." Some Argentinian geezer alongside Greg ... where did that come from? It came from your post about Vaculik lining up alongside Milik.If that can happen,then anything is open and we know Armando has a liking for Argentina.Ok I guess if any are that good he will get them in the Italian pair though Edited November 30, 2017 by iris123 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 IT was a hypothetical suggestion but Czechs and Slovaks are a little more realistic than an Argentinian with an American. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 (edited) I have only read the head line since the article is behind a pay wall but the headline says "Smederna might get the SWC final": "https://www.ekuriren.se/sport/smederna-kan-fa-finalen-i-lag-vm/" on the news paper's FB page it says that Smedernas club president Håkan Ringkvist says that they are waiting for a definite answer. https://www.facebook.com/eksporten/posts/1745688802169008 Edited November 30, 2017 by Ghostwalker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 No doubt Denmark or Sweden or maybe even Germany might want to host some sort of quali round where their team is more than likely going to get through if half the teams do and they are up against Finland,Italy,Hungary,who will obviously be far more competitive than they would be in the SWC Trouble is when you get a quali in Russia and half the teams don't turn up and so you have Russia 1,Russia 2 and Russia 3 alongside some made up Crovakia team and some Argentinian geezer alongside Greg to make an Americas team.After a few years surely Finland and Hungary will get fed up not qualifying and travelling long distances for the honour,just like they have with the SWC...... I think most people know it's going to be rubbish, but reading what Castagna was saying in the Spar today, I wonder if they're thinking of using the 5-team, 3-rider format over 20 heats? That used to get used for the Ice Racing Team competition and I think early rounds of the WTC in the past, and is a sort of hybrid format between an individual and pairs competition. Still rubbish though, as I think two riders get 6 programmed races, and one rider gets 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 MOST of that is what would probably now be called "fake news." Some Argentinian geezer alongside Greg ... where did that come from? IT was a hypothetical suggestion but Czechs and Slovaks are a little more realistic than an Argentinian with an American. So you are peddling 'fake news' yourself??? Whatever.It might be more realistic,but once you start who knows where it will end,just to get a competitive team or to get a certain rider in?Who would we stick Pavlic in with if he was still going strong?Zagar I guess,from another country.Who would we stick some Ukranian in with?Or if there was a decent New Zealander?Or an Argentinian who hit the international scene?A US rider makes more sense than anyone else........ I think most people know it's going to be rubbish, but reading what Castagna was saying in the Spar today, I wonder if they're thinking of using the 5-team, 3-rider format over 20 heats? That used to get used for the Ice Racing Team competition and I think early rounds of the WTC in the past, and is a sort of hybrid format between an individual and pairs competition. Still rubbish though, as I think two riders get 6 programmed races, and one rider gets 4. You have the advantage over me,not having seen what he has said,but it must be a 3 rider team because of the chance of injury and then only having 1 rider left,which further shws the divide between top and also ran countries.Poland and Denmark,Sweden,Russia will have some strength in depth whereas those teams that struggled to put a SWC squad together will also struggle to put 3 decent riders in this competition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner85 Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 Sad to see the demise of the World Cup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 IT was a hypothetical suggestion but Czechs and Slovaks are a little more realistic than an Argentinian with an American. Why? The Czech Republic and Slovakia are two completely different countries in exactly the same way as Argentina and the USA. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 You have the advantage over me,not having seen what he has said,but it must be a 3 rider team because of the chance of injury and then only having 1 rider left,which further shws the divide between top and also ran countries. Yes, but in that weird 5TT format, I think the third rider could also take a couple of rides as a reserve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickRushbrook Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 Could it work whereby teams are still made up of 4 (plus 1 reserve) but adhere to the pairs format, ie; two from the same nation in a race? Would that defeat the whole object? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 Yes, but in that weird 5TT format, I think the third rider could also take a couple of rides as a reserve. Yes, but in that weird 5TT format, I think the third rider could also take a couple of rides as a reserve. Why? The Czech Republic and Slovakia are two completely different countries in exactly the same way as Argentina and the USA. NOT quite ... they were once the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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