Swc 2018

[iris123]

Isn't that the point being made.One of the good things in speedway was the SWC according to most here.Now they have dropped that for some experiment and seem to have made the situation worse by including an U 21 rider......

 

We had all of this more than a decade ago when people on here were complaining about the way speedway in the UK was going and we had others saying be positive and it is the promoters money,they know best.A decade later the conditions have got worse,some would say,much worse.....maybe those fans that are complaining are in the right?

[Grand Central]

No but why not try to look for a positive occasionally. There are good things in speedway.

 

There certainly are.

The SWC being one of the very best.

 

But apparently we are supposed to keep our gobs shut until we have actaully seen this stupidly entited/conceived 'Speedway of Nations' next June.

And not expose the folly of abandoning the SWC now.

 

In my view, that would not be 'looking for a positive'.

It would be just fiddling whilst Rome burns.

 

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[Humphrey Appleby]

We had all of this more than a decade ago when people on here were complaining about the way speedway in the UK was going and we had others saying be positive and it is the promoters money,they know best.A decade later the conditions have got worse,some would say,much worse.....maybe those fans that are complaining are in the right?

When it comes down to it, whilst many British promoters aren't really doing a great job, probably most of them are in it because of a certain love of the sport. Most I think, do not expect to make money from it, and a good number are probably subsiding their tracks.

 

BSI are most definitely in it for the money though. There isn't essentially anything wrong with that, but the SWC is one of the genuine highlights of the calendar (even in my jaded cynical view), and somehow the FIM has been persuaded that another mickey mouse pairs event should replace it.

[PHILIPRISING]

 

There certainly are.

The SWC being one of the very best.

 

But apparently we are supposed to keep our gobs shut until we have actaully seen this stupidly entited/conceived 'Speedway of Nations' next June.

And not expose the folly of abandoning the SWC now.

 

In my view, that would not be 'looking for a positive'.

It would be just fiddling whilst Rome burns.

 

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NO one expects you to keep your gob shut but you are acting like someone who goes into a restaurant and complains about the food before you have been served.

 

If the SWC had been the huge success you allude to then it would not be necessary to try something new.

 

As previously mentioned, witnessed plenty of great entertainment at Pairs finals in a bygone era. It may or may not be a success but we won't know until it has been tried.

[Grand Central]

I suppose it depends what sort of restuarants one frequents.

 

General speaking I would choose something that I knew I liked from the menu
That could be (say) Sirloin cooked medium rare.

Not Liver or any other offal.

 

If I sat down at my table and was told I had no say in what I was to eat.

But had to hold my nose for a 'variety meat' selection of whatever was left in the kitchen.

Then I may make my excuses and leave.

 

But to request that I eat it first.

And then just HOPE that I did not throw up later.

 

No. Thank. You.

Edited December 10, 2017 by Grand Central

[Humphrey Appleby]

As previously mentioned, witnessed plenty of great entertainment at Pairs finals in a bygone era. It may or may not be a success but we won't know until it has been tried.

It may or may not be great entertainment, but it will not be a Speedway World Cup. A 'pairs' format with a reserve was tried in the WTC before, and I think there was great relief all round when it went back to a proper team competition in 1999 (albeit with a new 4TT format).

 

One of the genuinely good ideas that BSI had back in the day, was the concept of the SWC. The mistake (not even with hindsight) was to involve too many mismatched teams, but the 8-team format could have been tweaked into something more viable rather taking the rather lazy approach of going back to the inadequate pairs format. Even if there aren't 8 viable teams (which I struggle to believe), the final rounds could have been changed to 6 teams or something like that.

[PHILIPRISING]

I suppose it depends what sort of restuarants one frequents.

 

General speaking I would choose something that I knew I liked from the menu

That could be (say) Sirloin cooked medium rare.

Not Liver or any other offal.

 

If I sat down at my table and was told I had no say in what I was to eat.

But had to hold my nose for a 'variety meat' selection of whatever was left in the kitchen.

Then I may make my excuses and leave.

 

But to request that I eat it first.

And then just HOPE that I did not throw up later.

 

No. Thank. You.

YOU can do better than that ... or at least I thought you could.

[PHILIPRISING]

WAS chatting with Kelvin Tatum yesterday who said he enjoyed riding in the World Pairs and in many ways thought it as much of a TEAM competition as the World Team Cup as it was in his day including when he captained GB to their last victory. He explained that he, and no doubt others, liked having a partner in the same race and that as a pair you could try and help one another. 

He added that there will be fantastic riders in the event so why shouldn't the racing be terrific. There is something extra special about racing for your country and that applies as much for the pairs as the SWC he said.

[Grand Central]

So that is one more 'vote' for the new format.

Well done !

 

As that side seem to be lagging a fair bit behind at the moment

I suppose KT could be coming in as. a 'Joker' to record double votes for his 'team'.

As I am sure the organisers will want to 'pep' the competition up with such exciting ideas that have been loved by so many in the sport before.

 

This could turn into a winter long series.

 

 

Edited December 12, 2017 by Grand Central

[PHILIPRISING]

SURELY you are not suggesting that the bsf is representative of the speedway public at large, no matter who the contributor is?

[Grand Central]

Far be it for me to suggest any such thing.

But feel free to enlighten me on an alternative forum, discussion site or any other online facilty that offers such a representation of the 'wider soeedway public' that you consider better.

If one exists.

Then I imagine that you, and me, would be contributing to that.

And not lurking around here.

[PHILIPRISING]

AS with the bsf and other forums of a wide variety of subjects, the majority are generally silent.

 

Always amuses me when reading that five people have complained about a TV programme watched by millions.

[stevehone]

I'm looking forward to the pairs format again, I just felt the last few years things had become very 'samey' with the way the draw would be and didn't really mean much to people until the final when Poland would win anyway.

Be interesting how the points scoring will be though, 4-3-2-0 or 3-2-1-0, that will make a big difference with some of the nations.

[Humphrey Appleby]

2 hours ago, PHILIPRISING said:

WAS chatting with Kelvin Tatum yesterday who said he enjoyed riding in the World Pairs and in many ways thought it as much of a TEAM competition as the World Team Cup as it was in his day including when he captained GB to their last victory. He explained that he, and no doubt others, liked having a partner in the same race and that as a pair you could try and help one another. 

Errr.. yes, but there was also a 4TT format where riders rode in pairs.

[Grand Central]

17 minutes ago, stevehone said:

I'm looking forward to the pairs format again, I just felt the last few years things had become very 'samey' with the way the draw would be and didn't really mean much to people until the final when Poland would win anyway.

Be interesting how the points scoring will be though, 4-3-2-0 or 3-2-1-0, that will make a big difference with some of the nations.

Not so much 'interesting' as 'crucial'

Surely no one could countenance a World Championship level event which gave more points to the pair who come second and third?

 

[PHILIPRISING]

12 minutes ago, Grand Central said:

Not so much 'interesting' as 'crucial'

Surely no one could countenance a World Championship level event which gave more points to the pair who come second and third?

 

DON'T think that will be the case

[iris123]

3 hours ago, stevehone said:

I'm looking forward to the pairs format again, I just felt the last few years things had become very 'samey' with the way the draw would be and didn't really mean much to people until the final when Poland would win anyway.

Be interesting how the points scoring will be though, 4-3-2-0 or 3-2-1-0, that will make a big difference with some of the nations.

But the draw was done by the same people who will be doing the draw for the new competition.Surely that won't change much?

[Daniel Smith]

The pairs scoring system should be 4-2-1-0

The rider winning should win the heat and will encourage a better battle for the minor places

[orion]

On ‎10‎/‎12‎/‎2017 at 8:34 PM, PHILIPRISING said:

NO one expects you to keep your gob shut but you are acting like someone who goes into a restaurant and complains about the food before you have been served.

 

If the SWC had been the huge success you allude to then it would not be necessary to try something new.

 

As previously mentioned, witnessed plenty of great entertainment at Pairs finals in a bygone era. It may or may not be a success but we won't know until it has been tried.

Never seen anyone on here moan about it ..in fact it's enjoy by most ..the bottom line is the new format is a cost cutting exercise nothing more 

[Col]

16 hours ago, PHILIPRISING said:

WAS chatting with Kelvin Tatum yesterday who said he enjoyed riding in the World Pairs and in many ways thought it as much of a TEAM competition as the World Team Cup as it was in his day including when he captained GB to their last victory. He explained that he, and no doubt others, liked having a partner in the same race and that as a pair you could try and help one another. 

He added that there will be fantastic riders in the event so why shouldn't the racing be terrific. There is something extra special about racing for your country and that applies as much for the pairs as the SWC he said.

Tatum may have loved riding in them, we hated watching it.  As fans.. We will not flock to this rehashed SWC as we did the tried and tested, but oh Well Poland are going to win again event we have loved for the last 10+ years.

FANS HATE THE PAIRS FORMAT. 

Put me in charge of the SWC, I have limited organisation & marketing skills but I couldn't fail to make it better than a one of pairs event.

Edited December 13, 2017 by Col