Humphrey Appleby Posted December 1, 2017 Report Share Posted December 1, 2017 JUST for t he record ... Vaculik was born in Czechoslovakia So on that basis we could have Czech Republic, Slovakia and Czechoslovakia teams? I suppose it's one way of padding out the competition. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted December 1, 2017 Report Share Posted December 1, 2017 (edited) JUST for t he record ... Vaculik was born in Czechoslovakia I cannot believe that you are perpetuating this daft train of thought. On the almost monthly 'Tai is an Aussie' thread we end up with people pointing out that 'Jason Crump was born in Bristol' or 'Mark Loram was born in Malta'. All of no relevance whatsoever. And here you are doing something very simlar. Really, really weird. Edited December 1, 2017 by Grand Central 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted December 1, 2017 Report Share Posted December 1, 2017 Time for Mr Rising to restrict his comments to facts, otherwise the whole sorry saga will get out of hand It was mildly amusing to begin with - the "mixed" teams Surprised no one suggested a pool of guest riders from non-competing nations on stand-by in case they're needed! Pairs events cannot be taken seriously until a decent, credible scoring method is established 1st and 2nd / 1st and 3rd - one can see the winning pair But 1st and 4th v 2nd and 3rd - which pair wins? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted December 1, 2017 Report Share Posted December 1, 2017 Time for Mr Rising to restrict his comments to facts, otherwise the whole sorry saga will get out of hand It was mildly amusing to begin with - the "mixed" teams Surprised no one suggested a pool of guest riders from non-competing nations on stand-by in case they're needed! Pairs events cannot be taken seriously until a decent, credible scoring method is established 1st and 2nd / 1st and 3rd - one can see the winning pair But 1st and 4th v 2nd and 3rd - which pair wins? You raise an excellent point on the pairs scoring. It is another annoying part of this daft format of Speedway. Personally I would NEVER change from 3-2-1-0 for any match of any type. And I absolutely hate those pairs events that do 4-3-2-0. But chances are that with folk who actually think Jokers are a good idea in a World Championship Final and have forced them on us for over 15 years. Just about ANYTHING is possible with this latest folly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted December 1, 2017 Report Share Posted December 1, 2017 JUST for t he record ... Vaculik was born in Czechoslovakia JUST for the record....Zagar was born in Yugoslavia. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted December 1, 2017 Report Share Posted December 1, 2017 Surprised no one suggested a pool of guest riders from non-competing nations on stand-by in case they're needed! Well that's the ultimate conclusion. Nation X can't track a side, so draft in some random riders whom you wouldn't normally see in the 'Speedway of Nations' to ride for some composite team to make up the numbers. Bound to be a winner, just like the OneSport version is with teams you can really identify with. Of course, how many Football World Cups did George Best and Ryan Giggs play in? JUST for the record....Zagar was born in Yugoslavia. Yugoslovenia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted December 1, 2017 Report Share Posted December 1, 2017 Just for the record, I was born in England. But what's that got to do with the price of bread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted December 1, 2017 Report Share Posted December 1, 2017 If Millik had arrived on this planet four months earlier he and Vaculik would have been born in the same country. I will keep stirring the pot as you lot seem to be enjoying yourselves so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False dawn Posted December 1, 2017 Report Share Posted December 1, 2017 When Czechoslovakia split into the Czech Republic and Slovakia, what happened to the "O's"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted December 1, 2017 Report Share Posted December 1, 2017 When Czechoslovakia split into the Czech Republic and Slovakia, what happened to the "O's"? DISAPPEARED into the O-zone 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted December 1, 2017 Report Share Posted December 1, 2017 (edited) The serious point is that I've only seen negative feedback to this announcement. An alternating World Cup and World Pairs would have worked. But this bizarre new idea is unlikely to succeed. How many years until normality is restored and dear old Armando (great character, but a little out of depth in his current role) is put out to pasture? All the best Rob Edited December 1, 2017 by lucifer sam 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted December 1, 2017 Report Share Posted December 1, 2017 The problem is Philip, that you can't just lump the Czech Republic and Slovakia together and say oh, well, they used to be one country. There is a reason why they are two countries now and that is because Slovakia voted to be independent. I really don't think they would take too kindly to some outside body coming along and telling them that as far as they are concerned this vote never happened. It would be like telling the Irish that they are British really. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted December 1, 2017 Report Share Posted December 1, 2017 ARMANDO is perfectly suited to his role. Passionate about speedway, has a strong voice within the FIM. Just because a few posters on here don't like the new proposal doesn't necessarily reflect the wider view across the continent. As I said before, we will have a better idea next July after the initial staging of the event. The problem is Philip, that you can't just lump the Czech Republic and Slovakia together and say oh, well, they used to be one country. There is a reason why they are two countries now and that is because Slovakia voted to be independent. I really don't think they would take too kindly to some outside body coming along and telling them that as far as they are concerned this vote never happened. It would be like telling the Irish that they are British really. HOW many more times, it was just an off the cuff remark. Get a life ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted December 1, 2017 Report Share Posted December 1, 2017 HOW many more times, it was just an off the cuff remark. Get a life ... Got to admit though Phil,it is a bit of a strange 'off the cuff remark'.I mean if you are going to list a few possible pairs,you could have said Smoli and Kai Huckenbuckle or Timo Lahti and the other Lahti bloke,but you chose to list a pair from two different countries.Now either you were on the bevvy at the time or there is a motive behind that post....... Time will indeed tell us what folks think of this competition.I don't give it more than 5 years before BSI want to off load the whole thing. Armando seems out of his depth.The decision to take the world U21 to Argentina,the decision to go for a world league and now this all show he doesn't have much grasp of world speedway reality.He will be remembered for these .......... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted December 1, 2017 Report Share Posted December 1, 2017 (edited) ARMANDO is perfectly suited to his role. Passionate about speedway, has a strong voice within the FIM. Just because a few posters on here don't like the new proposal doesn't necessarily reflect the wider view across the continent. As I said before, we will have a better idea next July after the initial staging of the event? By which time -when it is too late - they will see how perceptively correct us naysayers were all along.They will bin the whole idea. Then attempt to bring back the SWC. And spin the whole cock-up off as some sort of triumph. We have all been here so often before. 6 rider races, two-day world finals, major championships being held among cow pats in the wilderness. Time after time these so called passionate numpties get the chance to beggar about with this Sport. And then Sod off leaving the mess they have created behind. It really does make one sick. Edited December 1, 2017 by Grand Central 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted December 1, 2017 Report Share Posted December 1, 2017 By which time -when it is too late - they will see how perceptively correct us naysayers were all along. They will bin the whole idea. Then attempt to bring back the SWC. And spin the whole cock-up off as some sort of triumph. We have all been here so often before. 6 rider races, two-day world finals, major championships being held among cow pats in the wilderness. Time after time these so called passionate numpties get the chance to beggar about with this Sport. And then Sod off leaving the mess they have created behind. It really does make one sick. YOU may be right ... you may be wrong. The SWC hasn't been permanently discarded. Got to admit though Phil,it is a bit of a strange 'off the cuff remark'.I mean if you are going to list a few possible pairs,you could have said Smoli and Kai Huckenbuckle or Timo Lahti and the other Lahti bloke,but you chose to list a pair from two different countries.Now either you were on the bevvy at the time or there is a motive behind that post....... Time will indeed tell us what folks think of this competition.I don't give it more than 5 years before BSI want to off load the whole thing. Armando seems out of his depth.The decision to take the world U21 to Argentina,the decision to go for a world league and now this all show he doesn't have much grasp of world speedway reality.He will be remembered for these .......... ME on the bevy... god forbid! However, Millik's and Vaculik's parents were all born in the same country. How many sportsmen and women represent the country of their parents rather than their birth? Anyway, it has given some of you keyboard warriors something to do in these dark winter days ... not that I am in the UK thankfully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted December 1, 2017 Report Share Posted December 1, 2017 (edited) Just because a few posters on here don't like the new proposal doesn't necessarily reflect the wider view across the continent. I think it's more than a few posters on here - just about all of the active ones think it's a bad idea, and some of them are from 'across the Continent'. But yes, there's nothing to say this forum is representative of wider public opinion, so on what basis do you claim this idea is supported elsewhere in the Continent? Or does it actually just come down to the fact that it's too expensive for anyone to host, and BSI needs to maintain its profitability? Edited December 1, 2017 by Humphrey Appleby 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted December 1, 2017 Report Share Posted December 1, 2017 ME on the bevy... god forbid! However, Millik's and Vaculik's parents were all born in the same country. How many sportsmen and women represent the country of their parents rather than their birth? Anyway, it has given some of you keyboard warriors something to do in these dark winter days ... not that I am in the UK thankfully. Phil it may have escaped your notice,but the country where Milik and Vaculiks parents were born doesn't exist any more.Gone.Just like the country where presumably Pavlic and Zagars parents were born doesn't exist.This really is the silly season!!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted December 1, 2017 Report Share Posted December 1, 2017 ME on the bevy... god forbid! However, Millik's and Vaculik's parents were all born in the same country. How many sportsmen and women represent the country of their parents rather than their birth? Still trying to defend your utter nonsense then, Philip? Either get a bigger spade to keep digging or, alternatively, get a life. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted December 1, 2017 Report Share Posted December 1, 2017 Still trying to defend your utter nonsense then, Philip? Either get a bigger spade to keep digging or, alternatively, get a life. BEEN defending my utter nonsense for decades. I think it's more than a few posters on here - just about all of the active ones think it's a bad idea, and some of them are from 'across the Continent'. But yes, there's nothing to say this forum is representative of wider public opinion, so on what basis do you claim this idea is supported elsewhere in the Continent? Or does it actually just come down to the fact that it's too expensive for anyone to host, and BSI needs to maintain its profitability? IT is the FIM who are getting paid... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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