dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted January 26, 2018 Report Share Posted January 26, 2018 Just now, NickyR said: Typical numpties who couldnt wait to say they told us so I see! Ever kissed a girl lads? The bigger issue is that a rider has found himself unemployed, temporarily at least. I feel for Max Xlwgg and hope he gets a new club soon. On the other hand, it's good to see Alfie back. He was a highlight last season. The numpties are those that were wrong! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tocha Posted January 26, 2018 Report Share Posted January 26, 2018 1 hour ago, liam said: Shame there incompetence has cost someone a job Not JC's job I would imagine but something to be raised at next Friday's forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daytripper Posted January 26, 2018 Report Share Posted January 26, 2018 55 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: The numpties are those that were wrong! Before you get carried away with name calling lets look at the sequence of events : 1. In November 2017 the BSPA decided in their wisdom at the AGM that Ben Morley and Zack Wachtnect could be assessed their 2016 averages. Any club could have signed them on those averages (even Ipswich) but Lakeside did. 2. Whatever one thinks of the rule the fact is that Lakeside according to their statement obtained written confirmation from the BSPA that the riders could be signed on those averages. 3. More than two months after written confirmation was given the SCB (a.k.a Neil Vatcher ) decide to delete the rule. Now why has it taken 10 weeks, almost to the eve of the season to get round to this ? What has Vatcher been doing in the mean time ? Who has been pulling his strings ? If the rule was wrong why did the SCB not overturn it straight away instead of waiting until until almost the eve of the season when a settled team was fully signed and Max Cleggs alternative job options were limited ? I would suggest that instead of calling people names it would be more productive to look towards the sports administrators who once again have shown they would have difficulty holding down the post of events organiser at the local brewery. This of course follows Lakeside first of all being told they can sign Nicholls and Kennet , then being told they cant. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted January 26, 2018 Report Share Posted January 26, 2018 1 hour ago, False dawn said: Is there a definitive list of riders' averages anywhere that we can all see? http://www.speedwaygb.co/files/downloads/c17_issue_final.pdf http://www.speedwaygb.co/files/downloads/p17_issue_final.pdf Best I can do LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tocha Posted January 26, 2018 Report Share Posted January 26, 2018 17 minutes ago, StevePark said: http://www.speedwaygb.co/files/downloads/c17_issue_final.pdf http://www.speedwaygb.co/files/downloads/p17_issue_final.pdf Best I can do LOL They are all there Steve apart from Ben and Zach who didn't ride in the CL last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leander Posted January 26, 2018 Report Share Posted January 26, 2018 37 minutes ago, Daytripper said: Before you get carried away with name calling lets look at the sequence of events : 1. In November 2017 the BSPA decided in their wisdom at the AGM that Ben Morley and Zack Wachtnect could be assessed their 2016 averages. Any club could have signed them on those averages (even Ipswich) but Lakeside did. 2. Whatever one thinks of the rule the fact is that Lakeside according to their statement obtained written confirmation from the BSPA that the riders could be signed on those averages. 3. More than two months after written confirmation was given the SCB (a.k.a Neil Vatcher ) decide to delete the rule. Now why has it taken 10 weeks, almost to the eve of the season to get round to this ? What has Vatcher been doing in the mean time ? Who has been pulling his strings ? If the rule was wrong why did the SCB not overturn it straight away instead of waiting until until almost the eve of the season when a settled team was fully signed and Max Cleggs alternative job options were limited ? I would suggest that instead of calling people names it would be more productive to look towards the sports administrators who once again have shown they would have difficulty holding down the post of events organiser at the local brewery. This of course follows Lakeside first of all being told they can sign Nicholls and Kennet , then being told they cant. Neil Vatcher has form on this kind of thing. He is a law unto himself. You should be grateful you've got two months to sort something out. Last year it was agreed in JANUARY that as Belle Vue hadn't declared to be running at the time Steve Worrall signed for Newcastle, then the diamonds would have priority over his services. Roll on FOUR months to May and less than 48hrs before Newcastle are due to visit Edinburgh, HE decides that Belle Vue have priority. What's more... He didn't even have the decency to tell Newcastle that this was the case. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted January 26, 2018 Report Share Posted January 26, 2018 39 minutes ago, Daytripper said: Before you get carried away with name calling lets look at the sequence of events : 1. In November 2017 the BSPA decided in their wisdom at the AGM that Ben Morley and Zack Wachtnect could be assessed their 2016 averages. Any club could have signed them on those averages (even Ipswich) but Lakeside did. 2. Whatever one thinks of the rule the fact is that Lakeside according to their statement obtained written confirmation from the BSPA that the riders could be signed on those averages. 3. More than two months after written confirmation was given the SCB (a.k.a Neil Vatcher ) decide to delete the rule. Now why has it taken 10 weeks, almost to the eve of the season to get round to this ? What has Vatcher been doing in the mean time ? Who has been pulling his strings ? If the rule was wrong why did the SCB not overturn it straight away instead of waiting until until almost the eve of the season when a settled team was fully signed and Max Cleggs alternative job options were limited ? I would suggest that instead of calling people names it would be more productive to look towards the sports administrators who once again have shown they would have difficulty holding down the post of events organiser at the local brewery. This of course follows Lakeside first of all being told they can sign Nicholls and Kennet , then being told they cant. Firstly - I was responding to the name calling not doing it..... Secondly - dont disagree at all with the assessment of the lack of competance in the decision making and timescales Thirdly - I am only too aware of the situation with Scott and how he feels about it too!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leander Posted January 26, 2018 Report Share Posted January 26, 2018 (edited) On 1/24/2018 at 11:30 AM, Baldyman said: Will lawson be missing??? Somerset also race on good Friday Plenty of time for Vatcher to stick his oar into this debate as well. You have to wonder tho. Nowhere near as many fixtures as last Year. Fixed race nights. A management meeting to avoid clashes, and yet 2nd week of the season and someone will have to use a guest because of doubling up/down. Edited January 26, 2018 by leander Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaramanga Posted January 26, 2018 Report Share Posted January 26, 2018 58 minutes ago, Daytripper said: Before you get carried away with name calling lets look at the sequence of events : 1. In November 2017 the BSPA decided in their wisdom at the AGM that Ben Morley and Zack Wachtnect could be assessed their 2016 averages. Any club could have signed them on those averages (even Ipswich) but Lakeside did. 2. Whatever one thinks of the rule the fact is that Lakeside according to their statement obtained written confirmation from the BSPA that the riders could be signed on those averages. 3. More than two months after written confirmation was given the SCB (a.k.a Neil Vatcher ) decide to delete the rule. Now why has it taken 10 weeks, almost to the eve of the season to get round to this ? What has Vatcher been doing in the mean time ? Who has been pulling his strings ? If the rule was wrong why did the SCB not overturn it straight away instead of waiting until until almost the eve of the season when a settled team was fully signed and Max Cleggs alternative job options were limited ? I would suggest that instead of calling people names it would be more productive to look towards the sports administrators who once again have shown they would have difficulty holding down the post of events organiser at the local brewery. This of course follows Lakeside first of all being told they can sign Nicholls and Kennet , then being told they cant. agree with the points you make but this is the bspa were talking about who change the rules at will usually to the advantage of 1 off there members teams this is why they rules and everything should be policed by independent pannel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marko Posted January 26, 2018 Report Share Posted January 26, 2018 So last season we tried to sign Paul Hurry and the goal posts were moved, this season we wanted Scott Nicholls and Edward Kennet and the goal posts were moved, so we changed the team and now the goal posts have been moved once more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted January 26, 2018 Report Share Posted January 26, 2018 ahh , neil vatcher . the guy that give league points away to the visiting side because he thought they were the better team . speedway , run by jokers and rubbish 4 brains humans . maybe i can get a job there ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted January 26, 2018 Report Share Posted January 26, 2018 Yeah J - youd be the saviour of the sport Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted January 26, 2018 Report Share Posted January 26, 2018 If you know nothing about nothing you will fit in perfect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted January 26, 2018 Report Share Posted January 26, 2018 1 minute ago, Baldyman said: If you know nothing about nothing you will fit in perfect Shall I second your nomination too Baldy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panthers70 Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 6 hours ago, marko said: So last season we tried to sign Paul Hurry and the goal posts were moved, this season we wanted Scott Nicholls and Edward Kennet and the goal posts were moved, so we changed the team and now the goal posts have been moved once more. So you wanted to sign Nicholls and Kennett and end up with Morris and Lawson on a lower combined average. Shouldn't you be thanking the BSPA? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyE Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 I very much doubt Neil Vatcher has done this unaided - no doubt one, or more, complaints have been made and he has responded. One thing is for sure is that we will never get the full story. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliv Clav Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 If the BSPA/SCB had said that Ben & Zach's average were going to be changed, no team would have signed them at all until they were! Why leave it until this close to the season to change them, surely it doesn't take 3 months to sort out 2 averages?! Mind you, they changed Hurry's listed average 5 months after publication last year! We need an independent governing body, that can set rules at the correct time and stick to them! With the make-up of the team changed, and a long tail in place, I can't see us challenging for any trophies this year and will struggle mightily away from home. Can't see many Hammers fans travelling to away matches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac101 Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 Everybody and there granny mentioned it on here that the teams ave was over the limit why has it taken this long to sort it out the riders averages are there on the final greensheet it’s not rocket science hope max gets sorted out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 18 hours ago, tocha said: They are all there Steve apart from Ben and Zach who didn't ride in the CL last year. But they DID ride in the PL in 2017 and, thus, have current averages to be used and/or converted where appropriate. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leander Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 18 hours ago, marko said: So last season we tried to sign Paul Hurry and the goal posts were moved, this season we wanted Scott Nicholls and Edward Kennet and the goal posts were moved, so we changed the team and now the goal posts have been moved once more. Vatcher keeps them in the boot of his car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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