balderdash&piffle Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 All of the problems have arisen because of the peculiar set of rules that apply in speedway. Unlike most sports who have one rule book for their sport, football for instance, has a set of 17 basic rules which are applied throughout football from a junior level to an international level throughout the world. In speedway in the UK we have a set of rules for The Premiership, a set of rules for the Championship and shock horror, yet another set of rules for The National League and that' only in the UK. This year a sensible rule was applied to the Premiership that each club was only allowed one rider over an eight point average, this rule was not applied to the Championship. This massive error, enabled rich clubs to sign at least two riders over that eight point average, depriving less wealthy clubs the availability of those riders services. This in reality split the Championship into 2 leagues the top 4 or 5 clubs with two No1s, and the other 6 clubs. You cannot blame any club for taking advantage of the situation, you can blame the rule makers for making a total ar*e of the job. So the conclusion which ever team comes 5th or 6th in the League are the actual winners, as the top 4 teams will have purchased their position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 So the conclusion which ever team comes 5th or 6th in the League are the actual winners, as the top 4 teams will have purchased their position. What about a team that is just using 6 of the seven that they started with from last year and have simply swapped the 5th rider in the averages - thats loyalty not just money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 Suggestions that Morley and Zach will ride on previous PL/Championship averages dont make sense. If that rule still existed then Kennett could ride Championship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 What would be better is allowing a team that finished the previous season to sign all of those riders for the year after..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balderdash&piffle Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 What about a team that is just using 6 of the seven that they started with from last year and have simply swapped the 5th rider in the averages - thats loyalty not just money. Simple, would have had to drop one of the over 8 pointers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 (edited) It's not great form if the riders had already agreed verbally to join those clubs and presumably Cook was aware of that. Not illegal and no doubt not the first time it's ever happened but pretty poor nevertheless by both riders and Lakeside. If true it's no different to Glasgow trumping Lakeside's deal to buy Richard Lawson a few years ago. Stuart Douglas has always run a very tight ship financially, so Morris would have been offered a fair deal but it wouldn't have been over the odds. Also, in Morris' case he knows Stanstead is only 40 minutes away so far easier and more convenient for a flight Poland. Thats a bit touchy!! Indeed he doesnt have to justisfy it to opposition fans - its tha BSPA that need to sanction it in line with the regulations. The difficulty for everyone is no copy of the regulations is in the public domain (and possibly not even in the private domain!) They could well be still in the process of being finalised for all we know. That situation causes the confusion and ultimately the dissatisfaction for fans (of all teams) That is exactly the point. It's not at all clear what this information could not be given straight after the AGM . The promoters know the rule so there seems to be no reason why if can't be published. Edited December 10, 2017 by E I Addio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 Suggestions that Morley and Zach will ride on previous PL/Championship averages dont make sense. If that rule still existed then Kennett could ride Championship. It wouldn’t surprise me if that was the case, it’s happened before and no doubt will happen again. Interesting comment reference Kennett, I can see your logic but this sport doesn’t do logic does it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 maybe Lakeside used a mix of old rules and the 1.2 multiplyer,,, would be such a shame if they had to disassemble the team, after not being allowed to sign Nicholls and Kennett also 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marko Posted December 11, 2017 Report Share Posted December 11, 2017 The Hurry situation, he was given an average, someone or some people complained, it was reassessed accordingly. Should same happen now I expect they would simply drop Ben for a two pointer, maybe a hot prospect like a Tom Brennan, really not concerned at this stage, we will have a very strong team regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyE Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 (edited) There is a difference though - Paul's was an assessed average whereas I do not think that applies to any of the proposed team. Perhaps the answer lies in the latest Hammers' press release, an extract of which appears below. “Team building wise it hasn’t all been plain sailing and having early targets made ineligible was a challenge but we’ve benefitted too with BSPA (British Speedway Promoters’ Association) confirmation that Ben and Zach are on their actual 2016 Tier 2 figures and to have riders of the absolute quality of Nick and Rich to lead us and all seven riders taking little or no persuasion to become Hammers has made my job rather easy. Edited March 14, 2018 by TonyE Updated information Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthegearbutnaeidea Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 How are they allowed on the 2016 averages but the likes of Kennett and Bellego who also have them arn’t allowed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 8 minutes ago, allthegearbutnaeidea said: How are they allowed on the 2016 averages but the likes of Kennett and Bellego who also have them arn’t allowed Exactly,,, the soup gets thicker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAMMER180 Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 Why are people still questioning if the team is legal as stated zac and ben are on the 2016 averages bspa rules and as for stealing riders any promotion will do whats best for their club and at the end it is the riders choice where they ride no kidnapping involved so drop the sour grapes and just except we will be the champions with our cracking team COYH. also looking at the prem teams so far miles better racing in our league happy days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthegearbutnaeidea Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 CHAMPIONS? You might make the playoffs if you’re lucky pal, settle yourself. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePass Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 Only time and the racing will tell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 Just now, Steve said: Only time and the racing will tell There is no 'racing' at Lakeside 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAMMER180 Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 33 minutes ago, blupanther said: There is no 'racing' at Lakeside BS been fantastic racing over the years there at least theres over taking not like peterboroughs little doughnut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 27 minutes ago, HAMMER180 said: BS been fantastic racing over the years there at least theres over taking not like peterboroughs little doughnut Yeah right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 Good racing at lakeside? What Christmas cracker did that come from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAMMER180 Posted December 12, 2017 Report Share Posted December 12, 2017 18 minutes ago, Baldyman said: Good racing at lakeside? What Christmas cracker did that come from. how many times you been to know that then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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