screm Posted October 28, 2017 Report Share Posted October 28, 2017 Whatever the rights and wrongs in all of this, I hope both Peterborough and Scunthorpe both come to the tapes next year as it would be criminal of the fans of either or both of those clubs were to lose their speedway through no fault of their own. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester Hunter Posted October 28, 2017 Report Share Posted October 28, 2017 Whatever the rights and wrongs in all of this, I hope both Peterborough and Scunthorpe both come to the tapes next year as it would be criminal of the fans of either or both of those clubs were to lose their speedway through no fault of their own. From the fans' perspective, that's most certainly true, and they all deserve much better than this. For the two men who are now in the eye of this particular storm, the best than can be said about them is that their judgement is somewhat suspect. All I will say is this: Had Ged Rathbone contacted me and outlined the problem, I would firstly have told him that under no circumstances should have accept any money, inducement or whatever, no matter how tempting it was. Then I would have told him to leave the decision to Jack Holder alone. If he went, he would cop a 28 day ban, and Peterborough would get a facility to cover, as it wasn't their fault. If he didn't, it was a case of least said, soonest mended. I would have also advised him to contact Matt Ford, as he own's Holder's contract, and tell him everything that had occurred. That phone call would also have been subject of a recording for 'training and monitoring purposes'. It just seems to me that when it comes to speedway, all rationality goes straight out the window. People make the most bizarre decisions, which they wouldn't dream of making at any other time. What's more, they're simply not learning. I find that incredibly sad. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LagutaRacingFan Posted October 28, 2017 Report Share Posted October 28, 2017 (edited) Does anyone know the legality of this entire situation? There are a couple of questions that need answering. 1. Did Torun make the payment to the club Peterborough Panthers, or the individual Ged Rathbone? The next point is about who the fine has been issued to, is it the Peterborough Panthers or Ged Rathbone? Can the BSPA force Ged to pay? They've said that until he pays the fine, his promoter's licence won't be reinstated. This leads me to believe that Ged doesn't have to legally pay. He only has to pay if he wants to continue in the sport. He hasn't committed a criminal act and neither has he committed a civil offence. I'm not sure where the BSPA go from here, Ged doesn't have to pay the funds back. They're stumped! Edited October 28, 2017 by Jeremy Corbyn Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted October 28, 2017 Report Share Posted October 28, 2017 the bspa dont need to make ged pay , they will just take it out of his bond , refund/ask for any difference . if either peterborough or ged dont pay , the just revoke his means of being a speedway promoter and close peterborough speedway down . any person wanting to carry on with the speedway has to find anothe bond and needs a co promoter to be beside them in their first season . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocket007 Posted October 28, 2017 Report Share Posted October 28, 2017 Ged broke the rules and completely sold out British Speedway & Peterborough Panthers. When Torun called about using Holder, Ged should have said sorry but no because Holder is contracted to Peterborough and committed to appear in certain events. By taking the bung, Ged has also broken the contract of using the top 4 riders for a tournament as requested. If Ged refuses to pay the fine and has his promoters license suspended, the easiest way around that would be to pretend to sell to someone else while still being involved in the background. Perhaps Ged should be banned from all British Speedway Tracks until fine is paid. Moving on, Jack Holder surely has to be banned under the current rules, as Cook & Knight were banned for being ill & having no bikes respectively, while Holder was absent earning lots of money for himself against his contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted October 28, 2017 Report Share Posted October 28, 2017 Ged should have said sorry but no because Holder is contracted to Peterborough and committed to appear in certain events. Holder was going to go whatever, so why not try to make the most of it, and there was no way Poole would have let him get a 28 day ban at that point of the season 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New era Panthers Posted October 28, 2017 Report Share Posted October 28, 2017 Holder was going to go whatever, so why not try to make the most of it, and there was no way Poole would have let him get a 28 day ban at that point of the season You mean take the bung and put the future of Peterborough speedway in doubt is an ok thing to do . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocket007 Posted October 28, 2017 Report Share Posted October 28, 2017 This is one problem with doubling-up riders. Holder should have got a 28 day ban from all British Speedway, but why should Poole be punished for an event that had nothing to do with them. Peterborough should have said no, then if Holder still went off to Poland, then he should have been sacked immediately. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted October 28, 2017 Report Share Posted October 28, 2017 You mean take the bung and put the future of Peterborough speedway in doubt is an ok thing to do . obviously depending on the advice received Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New era Panthers Posted October 29, 2017 Report Share Posted October 29, 2017 obviously depending on the advice received Ged broke the rules he knew it was wrong regardless of him seeking advice from the BSPA vice chairman and whoever else . Simple , but those that gave that advice if proven should also be penalised. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted October 29, 2017 Report Share Posted October 29, 2017 It seems very likely that it could be goodbye to both Peterborough and Scunthorpe What utter rubbish Only in Speedway gossip would a club taking a bung lead to the closing or another club With 3 fabulous signings already made for next year,Scunny wil be at the tapes come the spring when you read most of the quotes on here now wonder speedway is fecked,we are master at talking down our own sport,utter madness! I dont see what Godfrey has done wrong. 1. Member of BSPA want to break SCB rules. 2. MC member of BSPA advises the member that in his opinion the SCB will give him a slap on the wrist so go for it 3. The SCB actually properly punish the BSPA member Ged took Godfreys advise, it was only ever advice because Godfrey isnt the SCB or anything to do with the SCB. Becarefull SCB,your talking to much sense for this thread! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scunny1 Posted October 29, 2017 Report Share Posted October 29, 2017 Montie, who are the 3 signings please- nothing on our website??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Johnson Posted October 29, 2017 Report Share Posted October 29, 2017 Montie, who are the 3 signings please- nothing on our website??? Auty, Allen, berge/bellego or both so could be 4? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted October 29, 2017 Report Share Posted October 29, 2017 the bspa dont need to make ged pay ,they will just take it out of his bond , refund/ask for any difference .if either peterborough or ged dont pay , the just revoke his means of being a speedway promoter and close peterborough speedway down .any person wanting to carry on with the speedway has to find anothe bond and needs a co promoter to be beside them in their first season . Ged’s been fined by the SCB not the BSPA. The initial bond although paid by the Peterborough management was mostly raised by Peterborough supporters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted October 29, 2017 Report Share Posted October 29, 2017 To even ask for advice says to me that Ged thought the deal might be iffy. That being so common sense says either knock it on the head or ask the authorities and get the answer in writing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamondlil Posted October 29, 2017 Report Share Posted October 29, 2017 GED had no need to get advise from Godfrey.if he knows the rules he would have an idea what the consequences would be.££££ took over the grey matter and look where it has got him.godfrey should not have got involved when approached.both Godfrey & Holder should be punished as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaramanga Posted October 29, 2017 Report Share Posted October 29, 2017 the thing here is im pritty sure wed be hard pushed to find 1 speedway promotor who is classed as a trustable person they are a strange bread that tend to lie through there teeth on almost any chance they get 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted October 29, 2017 Report Share Posted October 29, 2017 the thing here is im pritty sure wed be hard pushed to find 1 speedway promotor who is classed as a trustable person they are a strange bread that tend to lie through there teeth on almost any chance they get a think you've just about nailed it there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LagutaRacingFan Posted October 29, 2017 Report Share Posted October 29, 2017 If Ged took the money and the funds are being spent on Peterborough Speedway. What's the problem? The other promoters seem bitter that Torun didn't want one of their riders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris116 Posted October 29, 2017 Report Share Posted October 29, 2017 Since they have told the SCB to hold a judicial review I do hope that the SCB know of a JUDGE they can employ rather than keeping it to friends of the BSPA. Maybe the ACU should investigate both the SCB and BSPA! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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