Rathbone/godfrey Allegations

[Crump99]

The private club will just change the rules to suit

 

Depends what independent judicial review actually means. It sounds very grand but unlikely to be a FIFA type investigation.

[bigcatdiary]

Regulations for the SGBCL Fours are clear. Asking someone if they can be broken is daft.

It is interesting that you say that but the supplementary regulations (that should have come out two weeks before the Fours) actually came out 4 days before them and days AFTER all teams had submitted their line ups.

The problem here is how much do you trust/have faith in either of them!!

 

Only they know what was discussed during this conversation (if it did take place) - the one factor that would concern/influence me based on what has been reported so far is why this was never raised previously. If I were accused of breaking the rules, and knew of all the comments being thrown about, attended a hearing to explain my actions and then got punished - I would have been shouting very loudly that I had received advice/verbal permission to undertake the actions I had. I certainly wouldn't come out and announce it weeks later!

I think you will learn that Rathbone did exactly that from the start and has never changed from that story.

Edited October 28, 2017 by bigcatdiary

[Albert]

You would expect any requests or advice made to the BSPA/SCB would be made in the form of an email/text message?... If it isn't then perhaps it should be, there needs to be a clear audit trail in order to get to the bottom of issues like this.

 

As it is... the mud slinging goes on...there's always three sides to every story... the accusers, the accused and The Truth. In this case I'd guess the truth may never be known.

Edited October 28, 2017 by Albert

[Crump99]

You would expect any requests or advice made to the BSPA/SCB would be made in the form of an email/text message?... If it isn't then perhaps it should be, there needs to be a clear audit trail in order to get to the bottom issues like this.

 

As it is... the mud slinging goes on...there's always three sides to every story... the accusers, the accused and The Truth. In this case I'd guess the truth may never be known.

 

We had the same a few years ago with FrostMahoney & Batchelor/Andersen etc and the same was said at that time but nobody learns.

It is interesting that you say that but the supplementary regulations (that should have come out two weeks before the Fours) actually came out 4 days before them and days AFTER all teams had submitted their line ups.

 

 

Not quite sure of the point here? You have to go with the rules in place at the time. What would these supplementary rules added to the situation. This (HOLDING OUT FOR A HERO) was on the BSPA website two days before the event when it must have been clear to everyone what the situation was?

[Guest Scunny2012]

Hopefully Godfrey finally has the book thrown at him!

And if that's the case then it's probably goodbye Scunthorpe speedway but never mind we are inundated with tracks.

[stevehone]

And if that's the case then it's probably goodbye Scunthorpe speedway but never mind we are inundated with tracks.

 

and if it's the other way then it's probably goodbye Peterborough speedway but never mind we are inundated with tracks

[wealdstone]

It seems very likely that it could be goodbye to both Peterborough and Scunthorpe

[SCB]

I dont see what Godfrey has done wrong.

 

1. Member of BSPA want to break SCB rules.

2. MC member of BSPA advises the member that in his opinion the SCB will give him a slap on the wrist so go for it

3. The SCB actually properly punish the BSPA member

 

Ged took Godfreys advise, it was only ever advice because Godfrey isnt the SCB or anything to do with the SCB.

Edited October 28, 2017 by SCB

[bigcatdiary]

 

Not quite sure of the point here? You have to go with the rules in place at the time. What would these supplementary rules added to the situation. This (HOLDING OUT FOR A HERO) was on the BSPA website two days before the event when it must have been clear to everyone what the situation was?

But thats the point, the rules that apply to this competition are issued as a supplementary supposedly two weeks before the event, its not a lot of point going on rules in the regulations if they then change them in the supplementary.

 

Of course then we go through the 10 teams are in it, then 8 and then back to 10 in the space of a few days which of course consequently costs Berwick their no 1 because he has signed to ride in Poland.

 

Its a complete crock of Shyte and until someone sits down and re rewrites the rule book, someone who isnt a promoter (referee or someone on the SCB/ACU) then this type of crap will happen every year. The sections of the rule book need taking away from the promoters as they are just not up to the job or trustworthy enough to keep politics out of it.

Edited October 28, 2017 by bigcatdiary

[Guest Scunny2012]

It seems very likely that it could be goodbye to both Peterborough and Scunthorpe

Let's hope neither close as speedway can ill afford any more tracks folding.

[wealdstone]

One wonders how Chapman learnt so soon of the deal between Rathbone/ Torun and Holder. Does this show that Rathbone did in fact speak to Godfrey who subsequently betrayed him to his fellow Mafioso?

[Paul Johnson]

Sounds to me that Rob Godfrey has already been hung drawn and quartered by most people on here, i dont think i have read one post saying "IF" he advised, IF he did then there must be some record of it like Albert pointed out...times, dates, messages etc,

[ruffdiamond]

I dont see what Godfrey has done wrong.

1. Member of BSPA want to break SCB rules.

2. MC member of BSPA advises the member that in his opinion the SCB will give him a slap on the wrist so go for it

3. The SCB actually properly punish the BSPA member

Ged took Godfreys advise, it was only ever advice because Godfrey isnt the SCB or anything to do with the SCB.

that sounds like Geds been done like a kipper.

[Paul Johnson]

One should take responsibility for Ones actions...i will be taking money out from my pension as i reach 55 soon, My ADVISOR says it may not be the best descision but i will go ahead any way,,, If it dosent work out whose to blame?

[wealdstone]

One should take responsibility for Ones actions...i will be taking money out from my pension as i reach 55 soon, My ADVISOR says it may not be the best descision but i will go ahead any way,,, If it dosent work out whose to blame?

You, and I hope you are of the same mind if it goes wrong

[Noodles]

One should take responsibility for Ones actions...i will be taking money out from my pension as i reach 55 soon, My ADVISOR says it may not be the best descision but i will go ahead any way,,, If it dosent work out whose to blame?

Let's give this example some context. I seek advice by a senior advisor and I'm told I will lose £500. It's not much so I make the decision based on the advice. I subsequently lose £40000. I'd soon be complaining to the relevant authorities..

[ruffdiamond]

Let's give this example some context. I seek advice by a senior advisor and I'm told I will lose £500. It's not much so I make the decision based on the advice. I subsequently lose £40000. I'd soon be complaining to the relevant authorities..

is it that simple tho, given that its probly dirty money anyway ?

if a bank robber is mugged in the street as he comes out the bank with the loot, he is not really in the right place to complain, (although some might try).

Edited October 28, 2017 by ruffdiamond

[Crump99]

Let's give this example some context. I seek advice by a senior advisor and I'm told I will lose £500. It's not much so I make the decision based on the advice. I subsequently lose £40000. I'd soon be complaining to the relevant authorities..

 

What if he added that it's against the rules as well. Don't think that your complaint would go too far.

Edited October 28, 2017 by Crump99

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

Let's give this example some context. I seek advice by a senior advisor and I'm told I will lose £500. It's not much so I make the decision based on the advice. I subsequently lose £40000. I'd soon be complaining to the relevant authorities..

Wasnt the advice re £500 regards to the fine that could be expected for each match Holder missed (for fielding under strength side).

 

The £40,000 fine doesnt relate to the missed matches directly but is regards a disrepute charge.

 

So did Ged ask Godfrey how much is the fine for Holder missing matches or did he ask about whether he would face a dusrepute charge?

 

Thats where the crux of the case lays as to who is in the right for me.

[Leicester Hunter]

Well he did admit to taking what amounts to a bribe.

That's exactly how I'm viewing this as well. I find it astounding that Rathbone found it necessary to contact someone else in order to sound them out. He's a businessman isn't he? Doesn't he know what corruption is?

 

On more than one occasion, Ged Rathbone has openly admitted that he was approached by Torun speedway club and offered a monetary sum to release Jack Holder to them, thereby Torun gaining an advantage. He has also acknowledged that money was beneficial to Peterborough Speedway. That's corruption.

 

I'm employed by a German owned multi-national, and believe it or not, every year, I have to sit a test/exam, so that the company can be confident I know what different forms corruption take. It doesn't even have to be money, it can even be gifts which in a certain light may be viewed as insignificant, but on further investigation can be extremely damning evidence. In the real world, a £40,000 fine and a possible disrepute charge would be the least of Rathbone's problems. He'd have had his collar felt a long time ago. If it's also true about Rob Godfrey giving him the green light to go ahead, that speaks volumes about his judgement too. He's have probably been charged as an accessory.

 

What's really depressing about all this though, is the little squit it's centred around has got away scot-free and has been playing his face ever since. The least he deserves is a 12 month ban, and let's leave his visa application to the Poles. He'll soon find out how interested they are in him then.