teaboy279 Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 I see teams are making signings other than 3 point reserves and maybe one key rider that fits into everything Im not sure how clubs are sorting it. I gather all clubs would want 40 but what about the teams that cant afford to pay big money like stoke Buxton and IOW surely the limit has to be bought down so they can bring out a decent team?Dunno where this cost thing comes in, I know for a fact all riders at kent get same money per point from 1 to 7. So the total average has no effect on the costs. Buxton have also stated they are about development so if thy put a young side in 2 or 3 points under the limit, then no problem for them, not like they have masses of fans to lose so not having a winning side is not essential. IOW another bad example when you consider the signed Ben Morley on 9.49, so they certainly won't want average lowering either. If the average did come down Mildenhall would be run away winners with 3 of the top 4×3 pointers available already snapped up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnTwo Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 If youre trying to tell me that Luke Bowen is paid the same amount as Bradley andrews or George Hunter then youre the most gullible person on this forum Luke Bowen would not ride for the same as a reserve neither would Hopwood or Clifton why would the great Len silver pay his blue eyed boy the same as a rider that was outfir 10 years 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudtobeaBrummie Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 If youre trying to tell me that Luke Bowen is paid the same amount as Bradley andrews or George Hunter then youre the most gullible person on this forum Luke Bowen would not ride for the same as a reserve neither would Hopwood or Clifton why would the great Len silver pay his blue eyed boy the same as a rider that was outfir 10 years I was thinking the same but he did say he knows for a fact they all get the same i know they do not at Birmingham. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnTwo Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 THats because no club pays their number one the same as their number 6 redandyellow, teaboy is talking out of his a#*e or the person that told him is telling him porkies 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twowheels Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 There will always be disparity in league speedway, not all teams have same agenda or resources. Total combined ave of all NL teams for 2017 was 43.13 with the highest being B/V 50.40 and the lowest Buxton 39.11 To lower ave and you will lose riders who are not able to find places in the higher leagues, to high and you will make it tough for the lower clubs to complete. The N/L is more than just a development league, it is a very important part of British speedway and is where our future GP stars would start out. Young 3 point riders coming into the sport need to race against the best they can. Making the league weaker will only have a negative effect on their speed of progression. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzac Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 (edited) There will always be disparity in league speedway, not all teams have same agenda or resources. Total combined ave of all NL teams for 2017 was 43.13 with the highest being B/V 50.40 and the lowest Buxton 39.11 To lower ave and you will lose riders who are not able to find places in the higher leagues, to high and you will make it tough for the lower clubs to complete. The N/L is more than just a development league, it is a very important part of British speedway and is where our future GP stars would start out. Young 3 point riders coming into the sport need to race against the best they can. Making the league weaker will only have a negative effect on their speed of progression. Totally agree,I've said previously make it 42.5 to mirror the other leagues and for a minimum of 2 seasons,with the option to roll it on after the first if it looks right. Sure that's the type of figure that would allow a broad spread of ages and abilities and to allow the youngsters to move up in the averages and retain them for a further season or 2 even once they get into the 8's and 9's.Make it too low and you'll lose them too soon. Edited December 4, 2017 by gazzac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eaglesno1 Posted December 5, 2017 Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 AGM date announced as December 14th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted December 5, 2017 Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 Dunno where this cost thing comes in, I know for a fact all riders at kent get same money per point from 1 to 7. So the total average has no effect on the costs. Buxton have also stated they are about development so if thy put a young side in 2 or 3 points under the limit, then no problem for them, not like they have masses of fans to lose so not having a winning side is not essential. IOW another bad example when you consider the signed Ben Morley on 9.49, so they certainly won't want average lowering either. If the average did come down Mildenhall would be run away winners with 3 of the top 4×3 pointers available already snapped up THats because no club pays their number one the same as their number 6 redandyellow, teaboy is talking out of his a#*e or the person that told him is telling him porkies ‘Teaboy279’ is much nearer the mark than ‘TurnTwo’. We certainly adopted that approach with the Coventry Storm, the pay differential comes because you expect a heat leader to score more each meeting hence earn more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaboy279 Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 Neil, thanks for that. Of course riders may get extra help but as I say at least in 2017 all riders were paid the same per point at kent. And I ll be honest I was shocked at how low it was. 2 x 4 ride maxes does not even cover a service (before parts!!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnTwo Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 Im sorry Neil & teaboy but there is no way Luke Bowen rides for £20 a point when it was a well known fact amongst the fans in 2016 that James Shanes was on £35 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaboy279 Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 Im sorry Neil & teaboy but there is no way Luke Bowen rides for £20 a point when it was a well known fact amongst the fans in 2016 that James Shanes was on £35Again to the best of my knowledge (and I was in the pits a fair bit in 2016) all riders were on a set rate per point. And as far as I am aware James was on nothing like 35 quid!!!! I don't wish to say the amount as I ve seen the contracts and don't think it's on to divulge private information.But clearly you know best... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waco Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 (edited) Riders do not reveal their points money normally to the public as it can cause friction in a team .But it is well known that the top riders negotiate their own rates with the promoters and it varies from track to track.... And it is hush hush....And promoters do not want it known what they pay individual riders,,so the word is they all get the same..........????? Edited December 6, 2017 by waco 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnTwo Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 Waco is on the right wavelength. It would be a mockery to a rider of bens calibre if he was paid the same as someone like James Laker as a 3 point reserve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud panther Posted December 7, 2017 Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 Anyone that seriously thinks that all NL riders are on the same money per point are deluded. Look at the likes of Robert Lambert, he was worth more, & was the main reason we went to watch the young Stars. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted December 7, 2017 Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 Waco is on the right wavelength. It would be a mockery to a rider of bens calibre if he was paid the same as someone like James Laker as a 3 point reserve Why would it? Each rider’s fixed costs are similar, and a 9.00 heatleader would expect to score on average three times more than a 3.00 reserve so earn three times more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted December 8, 2017 Report Share Posted December 8, 2017 Why would it? Each rider’s fixed costs are similar, and a 9.00 heatleader would expect to score on average three times more than a 3.00 reserve so earn three times more. You could argue the same about the top leagues. I wonder if Craig Cook is paid the same amount per point as Jack Smith or whether Zach Wajtknecht got the same as Jason Doyle. In my experience, the number of points that a rider can score has little to do with the amount he gets per point. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudtobeaBrummie Posted December 8, 2017 Report Share Posted December 8, 2017 (edited) You could argue the same about the top leagues. I wonder if Craig Cook is paid the same amount per point as Jack Smith or whether Zach Wajtknecht got the same as Jason Doyle. In my experience, the number of points that a rider can score has little to do with the amount he gets per point. Birmingham's Structure was around £12 reserves £15-18 second string £20-22 heat laeder £30 Number1/Captain Edited December 8, 2017 by redandyellow 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waco Posted December 8, 2017 Report Share Posted December 8, 2017 (edited) Redandyyellow is about right with that assessment ,though there is a difference from club to club according to finances,,, some as low as ten pound a point for some riders... Edited December 8, 2017 by waco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete cc Posted December 9, 2017 Report Share Posted December 9, 2017 How much are you paid per hour? That's right, its got nothing to do with me, so why should any riders pay be any of our business? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted December 9, 2017 Report Share Posted December 9, 2017 How much are you paid per hour? That's right, its got nothing to do with me, so why should any riders pay be any of our business? because the sport is on the brink of bankruptcy and although the penny is starting to drop the riders will be the last to except it 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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