Stoke

[gazzac]

17 minutes ago, uk_martin said:

I'm sure that there are plenty of other threads that discuss the major issues that the sport faces on a national scale.

Returning to the matter of STOKE, can anyone advise if the track has been fixed and when fixtures will resume?

You're right, need to draw a line under the other issues here, hopefully it can be fixed!

[semion]

Maybe if they  dig about a bit they might used nappies....well it wont be the first time.

[Halifaxtiger]

On ‎6‎/‎24‎/‎2018 at 11:06 AM, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

No what I’m saying is if different engines and to a point tyres were used then even inexperienced riders would cope no matter what the track was like , the modern engine just isn’t fit for the purpose, as I said in an earlier post if you put NL riders out at Cardiff after 10 heats when the ruts apear it would be carnage, unless it’s smooth and dry they are a pig to handle ,speedway needs to address this problem which is far bigger than one track which you clearly have issues with 

Which of us doesn't have an issue with a track that has a meeting abandoned due to the state of the surface, has13fallers in 10 heats and sends three riders home injured and then calls off their next scheduled meeting due to the track ? Every single speedway fan puts rider safety first, so every single one will have an issue.  Do you ? 

I am concerned about one club - and it is just one - doing their job properly and ensuring riders are as safe as they can.  What you are saying is that this isn't Stoke's fault at all - because you still haven't condemned them in anyway and almost certainly will not, regardless of what happened - and that Saturday night was down to riders and bikes. It wasn't, for the simple reason that it hasn't happened anywhere else to that degree. 

If the bikes are so bad, why were there just two fallers at Belle Vue on Friday ?  

Your solution to what happened is to have every rider in the country change all their equipment to suit the needs of promoters who simply can't be bothered to put the time and effort in to prepare a track properly.  Mine is to make those who think they can get away with that accountable when riders are injured. 

 

 

 

[THE DEAN MACHINE]

17 hours ago, Halifaxtiger said:

Which of us doesn't have an issue with a track that has a meeting abandoned due to the state of the surface, has13fallers in 10 heats and sends three riders home injured and then calls off their next scheduled meeting due to the track ? Every single speedway fan puts rider safety first, so every single one will have an issue.  Do you ? 

I am concerned about one club - and it is just one - doing their job properly and ensuring riders are as safe as they can.  What you are saying is that this isn't Stoke's fault at all - because you still haven't condemned them in anyway and almost certainly will not, regardless of what happened - and that Saturday night was down to riders and bikes. It wasn't, for the simple reason that it hasn't happened anywhere else to that degree. 

If the bikes are so bad, why were there just two fallers at Belle Vue on Friday ?  

Your solution to what happened is to have every rider in the country change all their equipment to suit the needs of promoters who simply can't be bothered to put the time and effort in to prepare a track properly.  Mine is to make those who think they can get away with that accountable when riders are injured. 

 

 

 

Stoke didn’t call Saturday off the control board inspector did who I might add got sacked at a track for his track prep and it’s not changing  machinery to suit promotors it’s for the good of the sport and to say your interested in rider safety but are fine to let use engines which are unnecessarily. Dangerous , that’s good sense and no I’m not particularly bothered about riders safety and neither are the riders ,they would happily use a product no matter how dangerous it made it as long as it got race wins, what I am concerned about is entertainment for the public and riders sliding off here there and everywhere cause they are riding bikes they are struggling to handle is not entertainment, I have not condemned stokes track cause the SCB have done there job and I have bothered to go and find out what’s going on not just speculate about the problems and put the boot in, I have nothing more to say on this but I will be thinking about you when your at a meeting that’s called off cause the track has a bit of rain in it or a bump or two and after kicking the floor for 30 mins the riders decide not to ride 

Edited June 26, 2018 by THE DEAN MACHINE

[SSL84]

dean get your FACTS right about stoke meeting being called off sat?

[Hawk127]

10 hours ago, THE DEAN MACHINE said:

Stoke didn’t call Saturday off the control board inspector did who I might add got sacked at a track for his track prep and it’s not changing  machinery to suit promotors it’s for the good of the sport and to say your interested in rider safety but are fine to let use engines which are unnecessarily. Dangerous , that’s good sense and no I’m not particularly bothered about riders safety and neither are the riders ,they would happily use a product no matter how dangerous it made it as long as it got race wins, what I am concerned about is entertainment for the public and riders sliding off here there and everywhere cause they are riding bikes they are struggling to handle is not entertainment, I have not condemned stokes track cause the SCB have done there job and I have bothered to go and get the facts not just speculate about the problems and put the boot in, I have nothing more to say on this but I will be thinking about you when your at a meeting that’s called off cause the track has a bit of rain in it or a bump or two and after kicking the floor for 30 mins the riders decide not to ride 

I agree with Dean on the point of riders being unable to control the machines or having any track craft. Take a look at the Wolves match last night and most riders were all over the place. Some blame the track and the shale etc but the fact is the bikes are simply Set up in such a way they are overpowered for the tracks and conditions which demonstrates the lack of knowledge amongst many to read the conditions. Most riders are a liability to themselves and others and this is probably why many races are strung out and team riding is generally a thing of the past. Riders trust neither the machine, their own capabilities or those of the other three riders on the track. Years back this was not the case.

Irrespective of Stoke’s woes, no one wants to see a track close and let’s hope a way forward can be found to resolve the issues.

[semion]

I don't understand why Dean is being so defensive of Stoke and Tatum.   Most riders, when a track is not fit for purpose are never slow in coming forward.  Yet here we have an ex rider, who I am sure has had his share of injuries saying the track is fine its the bikes that are being used today that are the problem.    I Take it Dean only used Uprights, as he feels so strongly that the lay downs are the root of all evil.

Edited June 26, 2018 by semion

[East End Fan]

Why is it that, when I speak to riders on this subject, they ALL tell me that the lay-downs are easier to ride than uprights ever were.

I watch a lot of Speedway and have done for more years than I care to remember. I see racing today that is at least as good, and quite often

better than, say, 30 years ago. It certainly has not in general deteriorated although, as in all previous times, there is still the occasional boring

meeting. That has always been the case.   My only personal criticism is that the faster speeds have not, in themselves, made any improvement.

They have just made life more difficult for young kids unless they have special talent.  When I saw Woffy as a 16 year old at Rye House, he never 

had a problem handling the power.

[uk_martin]

5 hours ago, Hawk127 said:

Irrespective of Stoke’s woes, no one wants to see a track close

Not so sure. If a track like Stoke causes more harm than good to themselves, to riders and to the sport in general, then yes, they have to be closed down, for everybody else's sake. 

[Racin Jason 72]

Stoke should be given every opportunity to get their track in order and keep it maintained.  

Having stock cars does not help but as Scunthorpe kings Lynn Ipswich mildenhall and Eastbourne can work with the cars then surely stoke can too.  

With the correct equipment and know how and the right amount of time there is no reason why the stoke track be back to the very high standards it was in the eighties.  

[happy potter]

Knowing the promotion and the lack of understanding in track matters he has probably ordered 10 tonne of hardcore!! LMFAO

 

[25yearfan]

I hope Stoke speedway sorts itself out cause it is on the slippery slope to oblivion how things are being run at the moment.

 

No one wants to see Stoke speedway close as much as we don't want to see a rider getting seriously maimed for life or worse so changes are needed!

 

A properly run Stoke speedway with money spent on improving the facilities could be viable at 2nd tier level cause many of the stay away fans would return!

 

This will only happen when a different promotion to the current Dave Tattum set up is running the Potters!

Edited June 26, 2018 by 25yearfan

[WalterPlinge]

17 minutes ago, adonis said:

  each MM of stroke gives far more capacity than each mm of bore .

You have that the wrong way round.   A mm extra on the bore would give far more extra capacity than a mm on the stroke.

[WalterPlinge]

2 minutes ago, adonis said:

ok if you say so 

 

Of course.   Simple maths.    Volume of a cylinder is  (pi) d^2 x h / 4         it's obvious a 1mm increase in "d" is going to make a lot more difference than a 1mm increase in "h"

[adonis]

26 minutes ago, WalterPlinge said:

Of course.   Simple maths.    Volume of a cylinder is  (pi) d^2 x h / 4         it's obvious a 1mm increase in "d" is going to make a lot more difference than a 1mm increase in "h"

yep maths never my strong point .

 

[SSL84]

i see dean as gone very quiet for someone who knows all the facts about why stoke was called off as he states, he talkes to people before he comes on here, what a load of crap. If wants to pm me i will tel him why it was off?

[Racin Jason 72]

22 minutes ago, Trackerman48 said:

i see dean as gone very quiet for someone who knows all the facts about why stoke was called off as he states, he talkes to people before he comes on here, what a load of crap. If wants to pm me i will tel him why it was off?

Has any work been carried out as yet on the track ? 

[SSL84]

yes and more work being done after next stockcar meeting

[Islander15]

So it’ll be ready for the annual October double headers then

[Richspeedway]

What are the crowds like at the stock cars? 

It has been a while since I last went to Stoke. It was a great track always had good racing but the facilities and the state of the buildings has let it down. I remember the going into the front straight to get some food and the main buildings ceiling was coming down!!

I know crowds are low so they might not have the finances but if the promotion could also repair the stadium and make improvements it might start to tempt some of the people back.