Stoke

[fubar]

As usual, Sings4Speedway speaks wise words.

[Sings4Speedway]

13 minutes ago, adonis said:

and of course these not ready have a knock on effect on riders who are just ready , artificially inflating their averages which moves them into the main body before THEY  are ready , to then be demoralised because they cannot compete with genuine main body members or heaved out through lack of results against stronger opposition  instead of a decent run at reserve while they hone their craft , 

 

and therefore increasing the averages of the genuine main body members meaning a glut of 9-10 point riders that are either discarded at team building the following year or included creating the need for 2 x new 3.00 riders at the tail and so the circle continues. Riders are no longer given the time to hone their skills as any rider aged 15-17 with bike is deemed ready to be gambled on in the NL. For every success there will be 5 times as many failures who may have made it if they were given longer to progress. Ive seen riders who are unable to lay a bike down or make the decision to do it quick enough in the NL and fortunately no major injuries thus far but i do feel its if rather than when it will happen and yet the promotions will still take no accountability when that dreaded day comes.

[East End Fan]

I understand the views about the vulnerability of the new young riders, but it is my opinion that most of the fault lies with the BSPA who

this year ( and probably in the past too) engineered a silly low team building average making it certain that some teams would have to employ

young riders who are not ready.  Not all promoters discard riders easily.  But they are few and far between..   If this year the points average would have been a healthy 42.5

then all the capable riders now without team places would have a job while some of the no hopers at 6 & 7 would still be attending training schools where they belong.

[Sings4Speedway]

13 minutes ago, East End Fan said:

I understand the views about the vulnerability of the new young riders, but it is my opinion that most of the fault lies with the BSPA who

this year ( and probably in the past too) engineered a silly low team building average making it certain that some teams would have to employ

young riders who are not ready.  Not all promoters discard riders easily.  But they are few and far between..   If this year the points average would have been a healthy 42.5

then all the capable riders now without team places would have a job while some of the no hopers at 6 & 7 would still be attending training schools where they belong.

You make a very fair case and there are probably just enough riders out of work in the wings that could have swapped in for one of the 3 pointers per side if teams had chosen to build that way? There is also a very strong possibility that promotions would have spread the additional points over the 1-5 and still named newbies at reserve and potentially put 5 pointers out of work? Lets not forget some sides still struggled to build to the limit. Averages will continue to be false until the BSPA agree a limit and stick to it for a set number of years rather than continually fluctuating.

[*JJ]

21 hours ago, East End Fan said:

.   If this year the points average would have been a healthy 42.5

then all the capable riders now without team places would have a job while some of the no hopers at 6 & 7 would still be attending training schools where they belong.

Development Leagues. You need to serve a season in the MDL etc. at least before becoming good enough for the NL; a DL superstar will still struggle at NL level, just as a NL no.1 can struggle as a Championship reserve. The fact is, unless they have been racing in motorcross etc., a rider progresses ftom training sessions (not 'schools') to amateur racing to Development Leagues to NL.

[WalterPlinge]

7 hours ago, *JJ said:

Development Leagues. You need to serve a season in the MDL etc. at least before becoming good enough for the NL

Tell that to Dan Bewley, Tom Brennan, Jordan Jenkins,  Kyle Bickley, Henry Atkins, Drew Kemp, Leon Flint etc etc

Edited April 4, 2018 by WalterPlinge

[*JJ]

17 hours ago, WalterPlinge said:

Tell that to Dan Bewley, Tom Brennan, Jordan Jenkins,  Kyle Bickley, Henry Atkins, Drew Kemp, Leon Flint etc etc

They spent years coming up through the Junior speedway system, although the first time I saw Bewley, Bickley and Kemp was at amateur meetings.

Edited April 5, 2018 by *JJ

[WalterPlinge]

2 hours ago, *JJ said:

They spent years coming up through the Junior speedway system, although the first time I saw Bewley, Bickley and Kemp was at amateur meetings.

None of them came through a year in the MDL as you said everyone should.  Bewley only sat on a speedway bike for the first time about 5 months before making his NL debut.

 

[Islander15]

How can Extance’s average be 4.12? He last ended on 4.48 and signed for Eastbourne last year on 4.48. 

[TurnTwo]

Must have been reduced due to injury? 

[fubar]

On 3/30/2018 at 8:00 PM, fubar said:

I'm sorry that William appears to be taken on and then discarded  whenever the wind changes direction.

Whilst he may not have set the world alight, the lad does seem a genuine trier and I really do hope that, as seems to happen with so many of these youngsters, he doesn't get booted out before he gets the chance to make some kind of a mark.

Hope it works out for the young man.

 

 

Sorry to quote my own post but apparently William O'Keefe's time has come to an end and he has been replaced by new cannon fodder in the form of Josh Embleton.

Sorry Josh. Hope you don't end up on Gloomy Road's ever growing slag heap.

Further exciting developments at the Theatre of Darkness include the fact that Adam Isherwood now seems to be billed as team manager rather than just side-kick and the two deceased officials continue to be listed on the website so perhaps there is reincarnation after all.

At least now I'm an ex speedway supporter I won't have to endure any more trips to this dismal dive.

Be seeing you.

 

 

[sommelier]

59 minutes ago, fubar said:

Sorry to quote my own post but apparently William O'Keefe's time has come to an end and he has been replaced by new cannon fodder in the form of Josh Embleton.

Sorry Josh. Hope you don't end up on Gloomy Road's ever growing slag heap.

Further exciting developments at the Theatre of Darkness include the fact that Adam Isherwood now seems to be billed as team manager rather than just side-kick and the two deceased officials continue to be listed on the website so perhaps there is reincarnation after all.

At least now I'm an ex speedway supporter I won't have to endure any more trips to this dismal dive.

Be seeing you.

 

 

Thank god for that!!!!!

[WalterPlinge]

Another sunny evening forecast for Stoke.    

Another postponement at the Stadium of Dark. 

[griffo]

Once again Furber you have opened your mouth before engaging your brain, the match is postponed anyway but the reason Josh has been brought in is because Will is not fit after Dislocating his shoulder at the last meeting and you can only replace a 3 pointer with a 3 pointer but what does that matter to people like you who like to have a go at Stoke wether its true or not and you wont be missed at Loomer Road  so Bye

[ProudtobeaBrummie]

2 hours ago, griffo said:

Once again Furber you have opened your mouth before engaging your brain, the match is postponed anyway but the reason Josh has been brought in is because Will is not fit after Dislocating his shoulder at the last meeting and you can only replace a 3 pointer with a 3 pointer but what does that matter to people like you who like to have a go at Stoke wether its true or not and you wont be missed at Loomer Road  so Bye

I think Josh is a decent addition best unattached 3 pointer I've seen this season beat cuppitt  and butcher round Perry barr i was hoping we might get him in as he seemed to go well at Perry barr was competitive all evening so great move by stoke 

[WalterPlinge]

16 hours ago, griffo said:

Once again Furber you have opened your mouth before engaging your brain, the match is postponed anyway

Good of the Stoke Clerk of the Course to explain the reason behind the new signing.  

Could he also explain why the match was "postponed anyway"

Why are Stoke allowed to continually postpone matches on nice dry nights for no apparent reason? I can see a backlog happening again at the end of October in bad weather. 

[the hobbit]

Surely it’s now time for the officials to call time on this dreadful Stoke promotion and eject them from the League. That might allow Buxton to sign some riders and keep them going. 

At least the Buxton promotion want to run a team and want to fulfil their fixtures.  Unlike this shambles at a stoke year in, year out .

Edited June 3, 2018 by the hobbit

[Ghosty]

Dave Tatum try's hard to run Stoke, But I think it's on a limited budget! He needs to sell-up or give-up & someone else with fresh ideas & more financial clout to come in & rejuvenate Stoke Speedway PLEASE.............. 

[griffo]

8 hours ago, WalterPlinge said:

Good of the Stoke Clerk of the Course to explain the reason behind the new signing.  

Could he also explain why the match was "postponed anyway"

Why are Stoke allowed to continually postpone matches on nice dry nights for no apparent reason? I can see a backlog happening again at the end of October in bad weather. 

I myself was disappointed that it was called off but I believe that the   heavy bought of rain we had on Wednesday afternoon and through Thursday night and a localised quite heavy rain in the Morning of Saturday the Track was wet it did not stop raining from early morning till dinnertime where I live about a mile from the track but as usual with Postponements after being called off the weather improves but it is the problems caused Earlier and I cannot see that the Promotion wants to call it off, what would people who travelled from Kent have to say if they had arrived and then it was called off but Stoke are not the only Team to have called off meetings this year think on the horrible weather we have had earlier in the Season

 

8 hours ago, WalterPlinge said:

Good of the Stoke Clerk of the Course to explain the reason behind the new signing.  

Could he also explain why the match was "postponed anyway"

Why are Stoke allowed to continually postpone matches on nice dry nights for no apparent reason? I can see a backlog happening again at the end of October in bad weather. 

 

[Argos]

Am I right in thinking that Tony Mole used to be the Promotor at Stoke, I’m sure I see him there earlier this Season, wouldn’t it be marvellous if he took over from Dave Tattum