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[psycho3a]

Crikey you wouldn't have many paying punters to watch that Sheffield team

[Welwyn]

Crikey you wouldn't have many paying punters to watch that Sheffield team

 

Fair point in terms of excitment. Don't think they are that bad though, albeit that Skornicki would be an issue. Poole, Belle Vue and Ipswich look very strong.

Edited October 26, 2017 by Welwyn

[INCOGNITO]

Think those line ups are only examples as a number of those are very Unlikley but switch a few around, sadly take out Coventry and take out Fisher (retired), Woffinden, Lebedevs and Milik (not returning) Doyle (GP), Holder (GP) and Skornicki (Unlikley) and it's clear all of racks can field a team f seven riders and all have British youngsters at reserve which has to be a good thing.

 

You may be able to include Hancock, Piotr Pawlicki, Kildemand etc that may be out of the GP series and available to ride here and a few others. One big league would give a fresh start to British Speedway and stopping doubling up which has ruined this country has to stop and while tracks like Polle, Wolves or Belle Vue will look and say we want better teams, it's a move that would help British Speedway not just the few big money tracks.

 

 

Wolverhampton would or could look more like Thorssell 8.68, Schelin 7.56, Howarth 6.64, Becker 4.00, Perks 3.49, Greaves 2.54 and a 2.00 number seven which is some drop to what is in place at the moment but in such a league would be a strong team with a good top three, potential in Becker and three young Brits getting experience.

[Tsunami]

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Wife's name.

[Welwyn]

Think those line ups are only examples as a number of those are very Unlikley but switch a few around, sadly take out Coventry and take out Fisher (retired), Woffinden, Lebedevs and Milik (not returning) Doyle (GP), Holder (GP) and Skornicki (Unlikley) and it's clear all of racks can field a team f seven riders and all have British youngsters at reserve which has to be a good thing.

 

You may be able to include Hancock, Piotr Pawlicki, Kildemand etc that may be out of the GP series and available to ride here and a few others. One big league would give a fresh start to British Speedway and stopping doubling up which has ruined this country has to stop and while tracks like Polle, Wolves or Belle Vue will look and say we want better teams, it's a move that would help British Speedway not just the few big money tracks.

 

 

Wolverhampton would or could look more like Thorssell 8.68, Schelin 7.56, Howarth 6.64, Becker 4.00, Perks 3.49, Greaves 2.54 and a 2.00 number seven which is some drop to what is in place at the moment but in such a league would be a strong team with a good top three, potential in Becker and three young Brits getting experience.

 

 

I'll admit some of those are unlikely. I used a mixture of this years teams and the asset lists from http://www.speedway-stats.co.uk/Riders as a base (no idea if they are up to date) and worked from there. I'll admit a return for Tai is unlikely (in fact he is probably more likely to return to the league if the remour of what is actually going to happen to the top flight with fixed race nights happen). Doyle is signed up for next year by Swindon anyway right? And why would he change what worked. It sounds like Holder and Matt Ford have sorted their differences so a return to Poole is a realistic possibility. I think I was struggling for Leicester (none existent asset base and this years riders all have dent averages that their asset team would want them), hence the inclusion of Lebvedevs who was due to ride this year and Milik. Skornicki was a fill in and in a dream world of a Cov return then maybe that tempts Fisher back, especially if the likes of Becker/Ruml/Nicol are over here.

[T.N.T.]

One big league would have sorted the issues that need addressing but it looks like they are going to change very little in the end

[ch958]

they're going to change nothing of importance - the top league will be propped up and bollox everyone else

[The White Knight]

they're going to change nothing of importance - the top league will be propped up and bollox everyone else

As bloody usual.

[waytogo28]

they're going to change nothing of importance - the top league will be propped up and bollox everyone else

 

If that turns out to be true of the BSPA AGM then they will be counting the cost of another downward turn in average attendances across the UK this time nest year. KL will be less than 1,000 average next season if it is to be "more of the same" in 2018. Maybe the sponsors will be contributing more so that the paying turnstile total is less important.

[phillipsr]

1. Nicholls 7.43

2. Bewley 4.71

3. T Jorgensen 5.85

4. Heeps 5.25

5. Lawson 6.43

6. Wajkneicht 3.21

7. Bickley 2.00

 

= 34.88

[waiheke1]

LOokong at the proposed teams, what an awful league it would be. Poor racing due to mid matches when the top riders come up against the weaker ones. Nothing for quality young Brits like bewley and lambert to aspire to. A guaranteed decrease in crowds. Riders still missing due to overseas fixture clashes.

Respect others rights to differing opinions, but I think it would be an awful move.

If Cook cant get an overseas team slot, how would you expect him to be competitive in GPs with tgat league as his practice. Or team gb ever bring conpetitive.

[ch958]

LOokong at the proposed teams, what an awful league it would be. Poor racing due to mid matches when the top riders come up against the weaker ones. Nothing for quality young Brits like bewley and lambert to aspire to. A guaranteed decrease in crowds. Riders still missing due to overseas fixture clashes.

Respect others rights to differing opinions, but I think it would be an awful move.

If Cook cant get an overseas team slot, how would you expect him to be competitive in GPs with tgat league as his practice. Or team gb ever bring conpetitive.

 

in the heady 60s and 70s Briggs, Mauger, Fundin found themselves in the same heats as people who never progressed beyond reserve/ second string and had v little chance of beating the big names - no names. Thats how the big guys managed to get 11 plus avarages

i don't see the issue -

[The White Knight]

 

in the heady 60s and 70s Briggs, Mauger, Fundin found themselves in the same heats as people who never progressed beyond reserve/ second string and had v little chance of beating the big names - no names. Thats how the big guys managed to get 11 plus avarages

i don't see the issue -

Far more entertaining than today though.

[Sidney the robin]

in the heady 60s and 70s Briggs, Mauger, Fundin found themselves in the same heats as people who never progressed beyond reserve/ second string and had v little chance of beating the big names - no names. Thats how the big guys managed to get 11 plus avarages

i don't see the issue -

Fundin certainly was finished in the 70s also Briggs after his 72 crash was finished as a WC rider so forget those two riders in the 70s.Also do you mean that Mauger,Collins,Michanek,Olsen (ect just rode against stiffs in the 70s i don't think so.

[iris123]

Fundin certainly was finished in the 70s also Briggs after his 72 crash was finished as a WC rider so forget those two riders in the 70s.Also do you mean that Mauger,Collins,Michanek,Olsen (ect just rode against stiffs in the 70s i don't think so.

Give a couple of real examples at Wimbledon in 1973

 

Reading came for the Spring Gold Cup at the end of May.Michanek went through the meeting unbeaten even in the 2nd half.But in the meeting he came up against

Ht1.Hedge and Harkins.Both on the way down from their best.Hedge still a Plough Lane hero,but had dropped off quite considerably from the 10+ man a few seasons earlier

 

Ht5 Beat Tony Clarke and Reg Luckhurst.Must have been one of Clarkes last meetings before his custodial problem.Both as above really.On their way down and out

 

Ht7 Mich comes in to replace Mick Bell and beats Tommy Jansson and Stapleton.Tommy was the one real star Michanek had to face and came on well,but at this stage wasn't really a true top no.1.Stapleton was steady without being spectacular.Not really in Anders class at all

 

Ht11 same line up for the Dons as Ht7 and same result

 

Ht13 Mich comes up against Tommy for the 3rd ht in a row who is partnered by Tony Carke

 

End result Michanek with 15 pts,Tommy with 9.One heat win and 3 seconds behind Anders.4 of Anders heat times were under 62.0.The only rider to do that on this night

 

On 27th September Wolves came for their BL meeting

 

Ole got a 15 pt max and was also unbeaten in the second half!

 

Ht1 Ole beat Jim McMillan and Reg Luckhurst.Now Jim was a good rider,but not in Olsens class,plus wasn't a Wimbledon rider.Only rode the track a couple of times a season and Reg was still the Reg of the Reading meeting

 

Ht3 Ole came in for Jon Erskine who was missing and beat Harkins and Stapleton

 

Ht5 Ole beat Harkins and Stapleton yet again

 

Ht11 Ole beat Hedge and Pete Murray.Nobody would say they were a match for Olsen would they?

 

Ht13Ole beat Hedge,who was excluded anyway and Stapleton

 

Again all the fast winning times apart from George Hunter winning a heat under 63.0 were Ole's

Edited November 6, 2017 by iris123

[Sidney the robin]

Give a couple of real examples at Wimbledon in 1973

 

Reading came for the Spring Gold Cup at the end of May.Michanek went through the meeting unbeaten even in the 2nd half.But in the meeting he came up against

Ht1.Hedge and Harkins.Both on the way down from their best.Hedge still a Plough Lane hero,but had dropped off quite considerably from the 10+ man a few seasons earlier

 

Ht5 Beat Tony Clarke and Reg Luckhurst.Must have been one of Clarkes last meetings before his custodial problem.Both as above really.On their way down and out

 

Ht7 Mich comes in to replace Mick Bell and beats Tommy Jansson and Stapleton.Tommy was the one real star Michanek had to face and came on well,but at this stage wasn't really a true top no.1.Stapleton was steady without being spectacular.Not really in Anders class at all

 

Ht11 same line up for the Dons as Ht7 and same result

 

Ht13 Mich comes up against Tommy for the 3rd ht in a row who is partnered by Tony Carke

 

End result Michanek with 15 pts,Tommy with 9.One heat win and 3 seconds behind Anders.4 of Anders heat times were under 62.0.The only rider to do that on this night

 

On 27th September Wolves came for their BL meeting

 

Ole got a 15 pt max and was also unbeaten in the second half!

 

Ht1 Ole beat Jim McMillan and Reg Luckhurst.Now Jim was a good rider,but not in Olsens class,plus wasn't a Wimbledon rider.Only rode the track a couple of times a season and Reg was still the Reg of the Reading meeting

 

Ht3 Ole came in for Jon Erskine who was missing and beat Harkins and Stapleton

 

Ht5 Ole beat Harkins and Stapleton yet again

 

Ht11 Ole beat Hedge and Pete Murray.Nobody would say they were a match for Olsen would they?

 

Ht13Ole beat Hedge,who was excluded anyway and Stapleton

 

Again all the fast winning times apart from George Hunter winning a heat under 63.0 were Ole's

We can all pick examples like that out it is not hard, how many races have i seen this year when Doyle has been at the tapes and within two laps nearly a straight in front.He is that much better quicker than most and most of the points he did drop was because he was worried about getting injured.Going back to the old format ok the visiting number 1 often got a easy heat 8 t/s ride but his rides against 1/2. 5/4. 3/7. 3/5. were not always easy then teams often had good number three's and often the likes of Collins /Morton at 5 so it was not a cakewalk..Also a massive thing you forget alot of home teams then had a massive home advantage apart from Wolves now and maybe Lakeside the rest now are usually on a even playing field.The tracks then were often more challenging certainly more dirt on them grippier and also you might ride one night at Hyde Rd then the next at Oxford the tracks then were so much more varied alot of teams also then had pretty good homer riders.

[iris123]

It wasn't that i had to search through to find those examples.I looked at 1973,then picked out the first programme v Reading,then i looked at the first programme against Belle Vue,but unfortunately PC wasn't riding.Guess injured.Then looked at the first programme v Wolves and that is what i found

[Sidney the robin]

It wasn't that i had to search through to find those examples.I looked at 1973,then picked out the first programme v Reading,then i looked at the first programme against Belle Vue,but unfortunately PC wasn't riding.Guess injured.Then looked at the first programme v Wolves and that is what i found

Well 1973 was a year i enjoyed and the next five years seeing the likes of Mauger,Michanek,Olsen,Crump,Jansson,Collins,Lee was pretty special.

[iris123]

Well 1973 was a year i enjoyed and the next five years seeing the likes of Mauger,Michanek,Olsen,Crump,Jansson,Collins,Lee was pretty special.

Not saying anything against that.It was a season i enjoyed greatly,being my first full season of watching Wimbledon.But the fact is the likes of Mauger,Michanek and Olsen had a relatively easy time of it at Plough Lane.Collins was also super there.Even in 1974 we had Briggo back,but like you say he wasn't the Briggo of old.He was a point down on his Swindon 1972 average.It was probably 1975 when Tommy was back from the ban,that we had a genuine no.1 for the first time in a couple of seasons and i don't think we were the only team/track where the top riders had it fairly easy

[The Third Man]

It wasn't that i had to search through to find those examples.I looked at 1973,then picked out the first programme v Reading,then i looked at the first programme against Belle Vue,but unfortunately PC wasn't riding.Guess injured.Then looked at the first programme v Wolves and that is what i found

 

Look at Sheffields team in 1973, I think our lowest average rider was about 6.75 and everyone in that team could beat anybody, no reserves there just to make up the team