graz gp Posted December 15, 2017 Report Share Posted December 15, 2017 I trust the Sheffield promoters to do the right thing. I believe they have everything in hand and we will have a very competitive team. With Howarth in the team. utt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted December 16, 2017 Report Share Posted December 16, 2017 Howarth, Kurtz and Josh Bates back will give a very competitive team once again with most riders capable of upping their averages Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thbender Posted December 16, 2017 Report Share Posted December 16, 2017 1 hour ago, The Third Man said: Howarth, Kurtz and Josh Bates back will give a very competitive team once again with most riders capable of upping their averages I agree wholeheartedly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted December 16, 2017 Report Share Posted December 16, 2017 On 15/12/2017 at 8:34 PM, Tonga said: Can’t see Kyle ever riding for Worky ever again after his last experience there. 100% Kyle at sheffield next year so what bad stuff was that then ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1stbendharry Posted December 16, 2017 Report Share Posted December 16, 2017 Workington want 25k for Howarth or he is back at Workington to replace Cook for 1 year can see this getting messy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northyorksbear Posted December 16, 2017 Report Share Posted December 16, 2017 1 hour ago, 1stbendharry said: Workington want 25k for Howarth or he is back at Workington to replace Cook for 1 year can see this getting messy. Howarth puts in transfer request - if not agreed between all parties within 3 months can then go to arbitration and buying club (eg Sheffield) are told what to pay , unlikely to be 25k. depends if this is what you classify as messy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted December 17, 2017 Report Share Posted December 17, 2017 3 hours ago, 1stbendharry said: Workington want 25k for Howarth or he is back at Workington to replace Cook for 1 year can see this getting messy. i take it you are in conversation with jeremy corbin fan then . he is in fantasy land as well . rider pricers are done by their averages now . the selling club just cant pick a number and double it . but i think worky will take k25 for him nae bother . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poolebolton Posted December 17, 2017 Report Share Posted December 17, 2017 Holder has been put up for sale by Ford for 25K. So Kyle for 25K is insane. Yes Holder isn’t the rider he used to be but still and insane price! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandit59 Posted December 17, 2017 Report Share Posted December 17, 2017 40 minutes ago, poolebolton said: Holder has been put up for sale by Ford for 25K. So Kyle for 25K is insane. Yes Holder isn’t the rider he used to be but still and insane price! A Ford Holder for £25000 is it a 4 by 4 ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted December 17, 2017 Report Share Posted December 17, 2017 1 hour ago, Bandit59 said: A Ford Holder for £25000 is it a 4 by 4 ? its buy one , get one free deal ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoneroses Posted December 17, 2017 Report Share Posted December 17, 2017 Don't think this will be sorted before Christmas, but hope both Josh and Kyle will be back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted December 17, 2017 Report Share Posted December 17, 2017 (edited) if Kyle doesn't want to ride for Workington he wont be, and if Workington try to stop him riding I think it could be classed as a restriction of trade, especially as Workington don't own him, in the way the no speedway clubs really own riders Edited December 17, 2017 by The Third Man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted December 17, 2017 Report Share Posted December 17, 2017 who owns kyle now then ? bit of a silly statement there saying worky dont own him . so who owns him . it was kyle who brought the whole thing up in saying , it depends on workington . so if we dont own him, why did he say that ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted December 17, 2017 Report Share Posted December 17, 2017 26 minutes ago, The Third Man said: if Kyle doesn't want to ride for Workington he wont be, and if Workington try to stop him riding I think it could be classed as a restriction of trade, especially as Workington don't own him, in the way the no speedway clubs really own riders But they do own his registration to ride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted December 17, 2017 Report Share Posted December 17, 2017 2 hours ago, Tsunami said: But they do own his registration to ride. Under what employment law Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted December 17, 2017 Report Share Posted December 17, 2017 5 minutes ago, The Third Man said: Under what employment law SCB regulations, which all involved parties have agreed to uphold. From the preface of those regulations; "The fact that rules made by a Sports Governing Body have legal authority and are upheld in our courts is not always appreciated; therefore Promotions (including all its Members and/or Directors), riders, all persons, licensed or otherwise authorised to enter, participate or officiate at Speedway Meetings are legally bound by them." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted December 17, 2017 Report Share Posted December 17, 2017 50 minutes ago, The Third Man said: Under what employment law They are self-employed but clubs own riders registrations which is offset against the BSPA bond which is why it is beneficial for clubs to have assets. In this case Workington have Howarth as a club asset so any club wanting to have Howarth in there team would need to agree with Workington, hence why Howarth saying himself it is up to Workington. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted December 17, 2017 Report Share Posted December 17, 2017 i most cases , a club will never stand in the way of a rider who wants to better himself in his chosen sport/job . unless u r havvy . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 23 hours ago, Gazc said: They are self-employed but clubs own riders registrations which is offset against the BSPA bond which is why it is beneficial for clubs to have assets. In this case Workington have Howarth as a club asset so any club wanting to have Howarth in there team would need to agree with Workington, hence why Howarth saying himself it is up to Workington. Didnt realise that, but why would Workington want an unhappy rider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 5 minutes ago, The Third Man said: Didnt realise that, but why would Workington want an unhappy rider They won't they will ask in all likelihood if he wants to ride for them but if the rider declines then he is circulated as available for loan or as may happen a full transfer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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