GS550 Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 (edited) Didn't Glasgow legend Steve Lawson double up at Hyde Road? You're right, though was it not a trial for potentially signing fulltime i.e. only for BV in the coming season but which offer he ultimately turned down and decided to remain in the old NL. Was there not also a story about Steve scoring well from his programmed rides from reserve in a match and when he thought he was going to be asked to take an additional ride as reserve replacement he hid in the toilet? Back then of course any doubling up was more isolated and not widespread as it has become in more recent seasons. Even when doubling up was formally introduced a few seasons ago was its aim not to assist young up and coming riders so that they could be introduced to the top tier of speedway and take the step up more gradually rather than in the old BL/NL days when a 9 or 10 point second tier rider would fail in the top tier or never get past reserve/second string stage in the BL. In any case it seems that the aim and purpose of doubling up has been lost in recent seasons as being only to help solve a shortage of riders when the very instigation of doubling up may have possibly (maybe just maybe) have partly caused the shortage as when riders started to double up some established riders found that there was no place for them and they retired or gave up the sport sooner than they might otherwise have done, just a thought. Anyway, back on topic, I for one would welcome Glasgow having fewer doubling up riders or indeed none at all and instead having a team of riders that ride solely for the Tigers and whom supporters can identify with as being Glasgow riders that will always ride for the team (barring injury of course and hopefully 2018 is a season free of injuries as well). Edited November 3, 2017 by justere2cgoodspeedway 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owenbros Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 Didn't Glasgow legend Steve Lawson double up at Hyde Road? Derek Richardson too? And no doubt Merv Janke & Mick McKeon would have ridden there when visiting with Halifax? I'm showing my age now ! I think you will find that was the case, Joe and Tom Owen were used by Hull, Steve Lawson was also used by Cradley but these riders always rode firstly for their National League side ahead of their British League side (The old names for the league's). So history shows that this was already happening in the 70's and 80's but today it is just ridiculous. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GS550 Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 (edited) (So myself nor anyone else shouldn't be derided for our attendance being that bit less and told by some disrespectful uncouth jumped up upstart that we have no right to comment nor discuss) - seems to me that you are aiming that at me personally since I have mentioned your attendance in previous posts, but hey, I dont get offended over stupid words so say what you like to me, ill take it on the chin, I have my opinion, and i disagree with your actions, not gonna change my mind on what Ive said Have you considered changing your username to Cinderella? Didn't she find a shoe that she thought fitted? Apologies, my sense of humour got the better of me there. As regards the part which you quote you are, in fact, wrong to assume that I was referring to you and, in fact, I did not mention your name at all nor anyone else's. I was actually meaning generally and in 'future-tense' only, i.e. if something were to occur from this point forth in the future so it was a general observation under the heading of 'generally'. That clarified, no offence was intended be it to you or anyone else contemplating doing such a thing, i.e. in the future. At least it appears we understand one another better. I'm happy to discuss anything, different opinions are good. But they should of course always be with a reasonable level of courtesy and respect. Enjoy your speedway. Edited November 3, 2017 by justere2cgoodspeedway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenR195 Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 Have you considered changing your username to Cinderella? Didn't she find a shoe that she thought fitted? Apologies, my sense of humour got the better of me there. As regards the part which you quote you are, in fact, wrong to assume that I was referring to you and, in fact, I did not mention your name at all nor anyone else's. I was actually meaning generally and in 'future-tense' only, i.e. if something were to occur from this point forth in the future so it was a general observation under the heading of 'generally'. That clarified, no offence was intended be it to you or anyone else contemplating doing such a thing, i.e. in the future. At least it appears we understand one another better. I'm happy to discuss anything, different opinions are good. But they should of course always be with a reasonable level of courtesy and respect. Enjoy your speedway. Enjoy your armchair 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GS550 Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 Enjoy your armchair Actually I prefer to stand at matches. I assume you use an armchair? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.V 72 Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 (edited) A question just for my own interest. Back in the day when there was little or no doubling up most 2nd division riders when they were ready moved up to the 1st division. Today because of doubling up most don't and because of it the Championship league has better riders and is a lot stronger than it would be without it as these riders would have to be replaced with National league riders or low grade European riders..I recon that if this was still the case or if they stop doubleing up next season then around 20 of the top 30 riders in the Championship league would/will have moved up or just ride in the Premier league. ie Cook, Worralls, Lambert.Lawson,Grajzonic,Holder,Harris,King,Bjerre,Masters,Wells etc. Now the Question is if they can sort out and have separate nights for both leagues next year so that there are no clashes.Do Championship fans still want the top riders in their league and have the rider ride for a Premier team as well or will they be ok with them moving up and will be happier with a much weaker league with no doubling up where the riders only ride for their team. Look forward to hearing your points of view.Thanks. Edited November 3, 2017 by B.V 72 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 Think sorting out Both Leagues for fixed race night will be more difficult than assumed given all the factors! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenR195 Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 Actually I prefer to stand at matches. I assume you use an armchair? Youve said you stopped going coz of doubling up so do you go to meetings or not? and nah, I dont stand and watch, Im in the pits working Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GS550 Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 (edited) Youve said you stopped going coz of doubling up so do you go to meetings or not? and nah, I dont stand and watch, Im in the pits working Nope. Never said that at all. I said that as with others given sparse attendance last couple of meetings that I had "reduced" my attendance. I've probably attended more speedway meetings than many have had hot dinners and I've often visited multiple tracks so not just one track. I don't get to quite as many different tracks as I used to but have still been attending. There is a difference between (1) reduced from a high number to still a lot, compared with (2) none at all. You seem to have assumed the second. So you don't stand and watch, you're in the pits. Bit of an aside, but seems you're not seeing things from the perspective of a paying to get in supporter so are you really in a position to criticise poorer attendances, what they want to or don't want to pay to see, and what factors might influence the paying public. Anyway, moving on, ever been in the pits at the old Hyde Road stadium? Now that was a speedway track and proper stadium. Btw, here, have a wine gum. Edited November 3, 2017 by justere2cgoodspeedway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balderdash&piffle Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 Nope. Never said that at all. I said that as with others given sparse attendance last couple of meetings that I had "reduced" my attendance. I've probably attended more speedway meetings than many have had hot dinners and I've often visited multiple tracks so not just one track. I don't get to quite as many different tracks as I used to but have still been attending. There is a difference between (1) reduced from a high number to still a lot, compared with (2) none at all. You seem to have assumed the second. So you don't stand and watch, you're in the pits. Bit of an aside, but seems you're not seeing things from the perspective of a paying to get in supporter so are you really in a position to criticise poorer attendances, what they want to or don't want to pay to see, and what factors might influence the paying public. Anyway, moving on, ever been in the pits at the old Hyde Road stadium? Now that was a speedway track and proper stadium. Btw, here, have a wine gum. Youve said you stopped going coz of doubling up so do you go to meetings or not? and nah, I dont stand and watch, Im in the pits working My suggestion to both of you, rent a roped off area, and bat the living daylights out of each other there. Might be able to sell tickets for The Ben Fund Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GS550 Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 My suggestion to both of you, rent a roped off area, and bat the living daylights out of each other there. Might be able to sell tickets for The Ben Fund Why? Where? Its a discussion forum mate. Hence discussion!! Obviously perception is everything. Reality is I'm as cool as the proverbial cucumber. Nothing to see here as they say. Here, calm yourself down to a frenzy, have two wine gums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 (edited) I notice Richie in today's Scottish press saying he is desperate to return to Glasgow next season. Richie, Nike & Rene Bach wouldn't be the worst start to our team building. Edited November 3, 2017 by Gazc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balderdash&piffle Posted November 3, 2017 Report Share Posted November 3, 2017 Why? Where? Its a discussion forum mate. Hence discussion!! Obviously perception is everything. Reality is I'm as cool as the proverbial cucumber. Nothing to see here as they say. Here, calm yourself down to a frenzy, have two wine gums. And there was me thinking in a very calm and collective way, that I had found a new very lucrative way of raising money for THE BEN FUND. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted November 4, 2017 Report Share Posted November 4, 2017 interesting reading on the workington 2018 thread , post 26 . just for you glasgow lot . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MANSE Posted November 5, 2017 Report Share Posted November 5, 2017 Just for you Jenga Bewley -Workington [only interested in Belle Vue ] Bickley - Glasgow my thoughts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted November 5, 2017 Report Share Posted November 5, 2017 just for you MANSE . kyle pledged this season to workington . but words are cheap , so we have to wait and see . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted November 5, 2017 Report Share Posted November 5, 2017 interesting reading on the workington 2018 thread , post 26 . just for you glasgow lot . Who your lot sign or don't is of no interest to us, as far as we are concerned we are only interested in who we sign. Hope this clears this misunderstanding up for you. Or to put it another way we don't give a toss. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kermitfrog Posted November 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2017 Looks like Harris and Sarjeant are done deals,don't know bout the rest though 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted November 5, 2017 Report Share Posted November 5, 2017 (edited) Looks like Harris and Sarjeant are done deals,don't know bout the rest though now the biting makes sense ! i sarjeant will frustrate the crap out of you in heat 2 and any other heats he is in . but hey , thats not my problem , ITS YOURS ... Edited November 5, 2017 by jenga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted November 5, 2017 Report Share Posted November 5, 2017 now the biting makes sense ! i sarjeant will frustrate the crap out of you in heat 2 and any other heats he is in . but hey , thats not my problem , ITS YOURS ... James has been with us before but the dreaded averages meant he had to make way , but we have never had a problem with James and I don't anticipate any either. SO THERE IS NO PROBLEM well only you that appears to have one but not my problem. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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