Gazc Posted July 3, 2018 Report Share Posted July 3, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, gmarsbar2 said: You said in response to my original comment "I guess you are connected in some way " and asked if I was actual a Glasgow supporter. So I told you I follow the side home and away. I didn't say anything about being a bigger/better supporter than you. 2018 real averages including bonus points 8.17 (Glasgow Tigers website), 16 bonus points so far this season. Yes it's down from 8.91 starting average but I freely admit Richie has not been as good this season as last. But how can you consider an 8.17 average woeful? That and your times up comments are what I had issue with. Not his actual 2018 GSA is it Bonus points dont count to the actual average. Most accurate average is on the BSPA site his rolling average is under 8 not ideal for our number 1 is it. His actual GSA is now a whopping 7.57 not very inspiring, it is most certainly not 8.17 that you allude to. Anyway we shall agree to disagree , no point in going over old ground you rate Richie and i dont simple as that really. Playground comments about being bigger or better don't interest me i will leave that to other people, see you Friday work permitting. Edited July 4, 2018 by Gazc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MANSE Posted July 4, 2018 Report Share Posted July 4, 2018 I would guess Ritchie will not be at Glasgow next year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted July 4, 2018 Report Share Posted July 4, 2018 Needs to get his average down just a wee fraction for us to fit him at Armadiddle but he's getting there. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted July 4, 2018 Report Share Posted July 4, 2018 12 minutes ago, TheScotsman said: Needs to get his average down just a wee fraction for us to fit him at Armadiddle but he's getting there. Would say that would be his preferred destination he rides Armadale very well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD Posted July 4, 2018 Report Share Posted July 4, 2018 21 minutes ago, TheScotsman said: Needs to get his average down just a wee fraction for us to fit him at Armadiddle but he's getting there. 7.57 is a bit of a shocker but with us having 11 league matches to complete, with 6 of those on the road ( though 1 at Arma) he should get it down that bit further for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gr8scot Posted July 4, 2018 Report Share Posted July 4, 2018 There are a few Embra fans who aren't Ritchie fans but once he signed, they would come round. After Ritchie won the meeting for us at Scunny last year, fitted in with the team and showed a brilliant attitude...... I, for one, would welcome him to the Monarchs I understand the Glasgow fans frustration. IMO (for what it's worth) "something else is wrong" and once you sort that out ..... who knows? Happy riders make prizes....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MANSE Posted July 4, 2018 Report Share Posted July 4, 2018 Straight change Worrall for Eric Riss he would love to come to Glasgow just ask him Scotsman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gr8scot Posted July 4, 2018 Report Share Posted July 4, 2018 14 minutes ago, MANSE said: Straight change Worrall for Eric Riss he would love to come to Glasgow just ask him Scotsman One word...........maybe two...... Nae chance!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD Posted July 4, 2018 Report Share Posted July 4, 2018 20 minutes ago, Gr8scot said: There are a few Embra fans who aren't Ritchie fans but once he signed, they would come round. After Ritchie won the meeting for us at Scunny last year, fitted in with the team and showed a brilliant attitude...... I, for one, would welcome him to the Monarchs I understand the Glasgow fans frustration. IMO (for what it's worth) "something else is wrong" and once you sort that out ..... who knows? Yeah, Dickson left. RW was clearly the favourite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharpenRake Posted July 4, 2018 Report Share Posted July 4, 2018 24 minutes ago, MD said: Yeah, Dickson left. RW was clearly the favourite. Think Richie thinks he was a favourite but Stuart was very good at saying the right thing whether to fans, riders, owners. However his team building philosophy was always get in guys with a low/false average and once they've increased it for us after a season or two get rid or 'let go'. Think 2011 for the best example and this year Claus and Lewis. Surprised he kept Worrall this year after last years shenanigans but with Lawson deciding he wanted to leave, he probably had no other option. Edinburgh would eb a good fit although not sure if he'd like salt and sauce with his chips. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD Posted July 4, 2018 Report Share Posted July 4, 2018 1 hour ago, SharpenRake said: Think Richie thinks he was a favourite but Stuart was very good at saying the right thing whether to fans, riders, owners. However his team building philosophy was always get in guys with a low/false average and once they've increased it for us after a season or two get rid or 'let go'. Think 2011 for the best example and this year Claus and Lewis. Surprised he kept Worrall this year after last years shenanigans but with Lawson deciding he wanted to leave, he probably had no other option. Edinburgh would eb a good fit although not sure if he'd like salt and sauce with his chips. Thats the name of the game, getting value from a riders average then releasing them when they have an unsustainable average. In 2011 we were 30 large in debt due to some proper away wins and were always going to shed that team! The problem I see just now is that you need some continuity from one season to the next, we can't keep shedding everyone come the season end, that doesn't foster any loyalty or connection to the club. Though its almost certainly going to happen this season. Perhaps we could keep Starke or one of Kerr/Vissing but thats it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharpenRake Posted July 4, 2018 Report Share Posted July 4, 2018 13 minutes ago, MD said: Thats the name of the game, getting value from a riders average then releasing them when they have an unsustainable average. In 2011 we were 30 large in debt due to some proper away wins and were always going to shed that team! The problem I see just now is that you need some continuity from one season to the next, we can't keep shedding everyone come the season end, that doesn't foster any loyalty or connection to the club. Though its almost certainly going to happen this season. Perhaps we could keep Starke or one of Kerr/Vissing but thats it. What I meant was he got in people on artificially low averages in 2011 and on that occasion it worked from a trophy point of view albeit not financially. Think the Facennas want to be loyal to their team members, staff and UK speedway but get frustrated when things result in back biting, sly comments and incidents like Worrall and Lawson last year. With SD away will be interesting what they do for next year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD Posted July 4, 2018 Report Share Posted July 4, 2018 13 minutes ago, SharpenRake said: What I meant was he got in people on artificially low averages in 2011 and on that occasion it worked from a trophy point of view albeit not financially. Think the Facennas want to be loyal to their team members, staff and UK speedway but get frustrated when things result in back biting, sly comments and incidents like Worrall and Lawson last year. With SD away will be interesting what they do for next year Fair comment, we should have shed RW as well and made a clean break of it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KilliePieman Posted July 4, 2018 Report Share Posted July 4, 2018 45 minutes ago, MD said: Thats the name of the game, getting value from a riders average then releasing them when they have an unsustainable average. In 2011 we were 30 large in debt due to some proper away wins and were always going to shed that team! The problem I see just now is that you need some continuity from one season to the next, we can't keep shedding everyone come the season end, that doesn't foster any loyalty or connection to the club. Though its almost certainly going to happen this season. Perhaps we could keep Starke or one of Kerr/Vissing but thats it. New to the forum (and speedway in general). Agree with you about the continuity, and not just the team. Dickson leaving and a redesign of the track may have all contributed to the below expectation results in one way or another. Last year was injury and 'parent' teams getting preference over our riders that seemed to be our undoing. If we could hold onto the majority of the team with a maximum of 3 changes (1xHL, 1xRes and 1 Mid order) would be ideal. I still have hope for the remainder of the season and making the play-offs but not holding out for any silverware. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MANSE Posted July 4, 2018 Report Share Posted July 4, 2018 My opinion for next year keep Starke Kerr, Thomas and Vissing main priority our no6 must be a 5 point rider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted July 4, 2018 Report Share Posted July 4, 2018 10 minutes ago, MANSE said: My opinion for next year keep Starke Kerr, Thomas and Vissing main priority our no6 must be a 5 point rider Have you given up on this season already Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted July 4, 2018 Report Share Posted July 4, 2018 2 hours ago, SharpenRake said: Think Richie thinks he was a favourite but Stuart was very good at saying the right thing whether to fans, riders, owners. However his team building philosophy was always get in guys with a low/false average and once they've increased it for us after a season or two get rid or 'let go'. Think 2011 for the best example and this year Claus and Lewis. Surprised he kept Worrall this year after last years shenanigans but with Lawson deciding he wanted to leave, he probably had no other option. Edinburgh would eb a good fit although not sure if he'd like salt and sauce with his chips. To be fair signing riders on low or false averages has always been the plan but getting the best out of them and having a good team spirit is also a massive help. I rather suspect the latter two are missing at Glasgow (not altogether surprising with what’s reported to have happened) and the fact that Dickson left tells me things haven’t improved. You can chuck money at it all day long but you are wasting your time if you haven’t got the right people picking the side and a decent team spirit, just ask Rick Frost. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KilliePieman Posted July 4, 2018 Report Share Posted July 4, 2018 21 minutes ago, bigcatdiary said: To be fair signing riders on low or false averages has always been the plan but getting the best out of them and having a good team spirit is also a massive help. I rather suspect the latter two are missing at Glasgow (not altogether surprising with what’s reported to have happened) and the fact that Dickson left tells me things haven’t improved. You can chuck money at it all day long but you are wasting your time if you haven’t got the right people picking the side and a decent team spirit, just ask Rick Frost. The club seem to be telling us that moral is high. I haven't seen anything first hand to doubt that to be honest. Not sure what was 'reported' to have happened, so cant add that to my views. We have assembled a very good side on paper but we are obviously lacking something. Cammy seemed to think Team performance was much improved down at Workington, Friday should hopefully show that. We'll miss Vissing though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MANSE Posted July 4, 2018 Report Share Posted July 4, 2018 29 minutes ago, Fromafar said: Have you given up on this season already Both cups yes league you never no. Team spirit is ok except with one rider and outside mixers maybe 2 or 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD Posted July 4, 2018 Report Share Posted July 4, 2018 36 minutes ago, Fromafar said: Have you given up on this season already Think we all know where this season is going. Be delighted if we make play offs and make a fist of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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