Starting

[The White Knight]

If I were a ref, I would fluctuate my release, might be 10secs next time 15secs then perhaps 20 secs, Would certainly have to hold until the tapes were released

Surely times like that would totally knacker the clutch.

[Bald Bloke]

If I were a ref, I would fluctuate my release, might be 10secs next time 15secs then perhaps 20 secs, Would certainly have to hold until the tapes were released

Would'nt do the clutch any good and the motor would probably grenade on a regular basis.

[BangerBoy]

If you dont touch the tapes.

Then the race just carries on, no exclusions.

 

Getting a 'flyer' is fine.

You just made a damn good start.

At last someone agrees with me

[balderdash&piffle]

Surely times like that would totally knacker the clutch.

Think of the boost in trade for the clutch makers

[Tsunami]

If I were a ref, I would fluctuate my release, might be 10secs next time 15secs then perhaps 20 secs, Would certainly have to hold until the tapes were released

Didn't the start button used to be a random button. The ref chose the moment when the riders were settled, and after pressing the button the tapes were released on a random basis.

[Bald Bloke]

If you don't touch the tapes,it's a good start.And sign James Sarjeant on a 2.50 for 2018

[cyclone]

Your right baldyman, you only need to think of F1 and MotoGp to know the green light is effective. Added to that is the transponder which detects movement. I dont know whether a transponder will work for speedway. F1 and MotoGP etc have concrete base to work from, the machines dont chew up the track likw speedway does. So whether technically a transponder could be used I dont know.

Maybe a green light with a electronic beam across the track would - dont know if any trials have been done.

But the starting tape fiasco is just one that needs sorting, bring speedway into the 21st Century with other things too.

 

 

Would transponders work on a speedway track though, what with different start positions even within a riders own "box"??

 

 

Each track has 14 and a box ..simple

 

 

Or just keep speedway in the dark ages...just as simple

 

We're still using a mechanism introduced by Fred Mockford at New Cross in 1934 to start races!

 

Surely there must be a more reliable alternative that is a) more reliable and doesn't malfunction/rise squint, and b) eradicates jump starts/rollers

 

Trialing a start light/transponder system to replace ye olde starting gate as suggested above, should be considered.

 

Perhaps now is the time the FIM for take the lead on this for the benefit of sport worldwide.

[waytogo28]

 

 

 

 

 

We're still using a mechanism introduced by Fred Mockford at New Cross in 1934 to start races!

 

Surely there must be a more reliable alternative that is a) more reliable and doesn't malfunction/rise squint, and b) eradicates jump starts/rollers

 

Trialing a start light/transponder system to replace ye olde starting gate as suggested above, should be considered.

 

Perhaps now is the time the FIM for take the lead on this for the benefit of sport worldwide.

 

Someone needs to take the lead in bringing about positive steps for speedway but I think the FIM have long pushed it to one side as irreparable,

[MattK]

So, after six pages no one has managed to offer up a workable solution which is better than what we have today.

 

Personally, I don't think starting is an issue. The warning system seems to work well. The only tweak I'd like to see is riders returning straight back to the tapes by stopping the pit gates from being opened.

[Grand Central]

So, after six pages no one has managed to offer up a workable solution which is better than what we have today.

 

That is not true.

It is only an opinion of yours when a soluton has been offered and you have ignored it

Or just don't like it.

 

My answer was stated on the first page.

 

No exclusions, warnings or stoppages if no one touches the tapes.

The race just runs.

 

A Very Workable Solution.

And better than what we have today.

(in my opinion).

Edited October 26, 2017 by Grand Central

[sharpandroid]

why isn't it that touching the tapes is the only indicator that somebody jumped the start, surely that was the intention of having tapes in the beginning, anticipating the start is part of the riders skill and should be allowed.

[MattK]

why isn't it that touching the tapes is the only indicator that somebody jumped the start, surely that was the intention of having tapes in the beginning, anticipating the start is part of the riders skill and should be allowed.

 

Because the regulations state that riders should be stationary when the tapes are released.

 

By definition, any rider who has anticipated the tapes rising is no longer stationary.

[The White Knight]

In this day and age surely Laser Starts are the way to go. If nobody touches the Beam then it is a good Start. If they do - then it should be straightforward finding out who was the cause.

 

I must confess to having no idea how much something like this would cost though.

[MattK]

In this day and age surely Laser Starts are the way to go. If nobody touches the Beam then it is a good Start. If they do - then it should be straightforward finding out who was the cause.

 

I must confess to having no idea how much something like this would cost though.

 

What difference would that make though? Would it prevent rolling/anticipation or would it simply make it easier to identify?

 

If the aim is to reduce the number of re-starts, surely a technology which flags up any kind of movement would results in MORE races getting stopped and re-starts being held?

[The White Knight]

 

What difference would that make though? Would it prevent rolling/anticipation or would it simply make it easier to identify?

 

If the aim is to reduce the number of re-starts, surely a technology which flags up any kind of movement would results in MORE races getting stopped and re-starts being held?

You could be right. I merely offered an alternative to what we have now, and I think would be an improvement.

[Grand Central]

I'm getting a little fed up with all this obsession with anticipating the start.

 

Perhaps BSI can employ a sniper.

 

If getting a flyer is so much of a problem for some here.

And the stoppage causes too much pain as well.

 

Let's take them out.

And be done with it.

Edited October 26, 2017 by Grand Central

[MattK]

I'm getting a little fed up with all this obsession with anticipating the start.

 

Perhaps BSI can employ a sniper.

 

If getting a flyer is so much of a problem for some here.

And the stoppage causes too much pain as well.

 

Let's take them out.

And be done with it.

 

Same question for you.

 

If movement is allowed at the start and only touching the tapes is penalised, do you think riders moving would result in more tape-touching and therefore more re-starts?

[balderdash&piffle]

I'm getting a little fed up with all this obsession with anticipating the start.

 

Perhaps BSI can employ a sniper.

 

If getting a flyer is so much of a problem for some here.

And the stoppage causes too much pain as well.

 

Let's take them out.

And be done with it.

Let the flier go and shoot the rest

[Hodgy]

I'm getting a little fed up with all this obsession with anticipating the start.

Me too, I wish they would just sit still until the tapes go up.

[Grand Central]

I am completely fine with the 'amount of movement' that has occurred in the vast majority starts I have seen over the last twenty or thity years since the tape touching rules were brought in.

 

I see no reason to do anything about them at all.

 

Only a very few of those that have been stopped actually needed to be brought back due to an obvious mess up in control by Start Marshall or referee.

Their role is key.

 

The rest, in fact most, that have been stopped, and restarted - with or without warnings - were absolutely fine for me.

They should have been let run.

 

Generally, I just dont have a problem with the starts of the last many years.

From before this recent change of attitude by refs and 'tampering' with the rules on warnings etc started.

 

EXCEPT referees now stopping them at all the bloody time.

That IS the problem.

Not the riders or the start.

Edited October 26, 2017 by Grand Central