StevePark Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 the answer was always there , just go back to the 70s format . 13 heats + a 2nd half. 2 local talent races .( thats where you find your next generation of speedway riders . I thought that what the Northern Junior & Midland Development Leagues were for? I don't know if the riders would be prepared to go back to 13 heats (some riders would miss one ride by not having a heat 14 or 15) and would the pays scale be the same in the 2nd half as in the main match? If so, I can't see the point. You might as well keep it at 15 (it's worked for years, so why change it?). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 (edited) Do you know what? I should have learnt my lesson from conversations I have with Jawdee football supporters......Attendance is king, the size of the crowd determines everything, it must be an obsession !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not really, but derby meetings are the life and blood of competition for both sides. Meetings should make decent money for each clubs, but in the case of the Bears you usually don't turn at Brough, whilst we usually give you your two highest attendances of the season.The actual bile comes from some older and long standing fans, who are now missing Bears fans who ridiculed the track, the stadium, our riders and comments like your branding our fans as braindead Jawdee football fans. The only time you used to come to Brough was when you suddenly had a decent team, like this year, and we were in the doldrums. Their behaviour required all night vigilance from our security staff and many complaints received from fans citing drunkeness. swearing and bad treatment of their kids as well as our fans. As I said earlier, those fans were some of your fans who are now non attenders or only occasional, thank goodness. This, and the previous meeting with Redcar, I highlighted your fans being in the crowd, not to call them but to mention that some of you are now returning and I see that as a welcome development. Attendance is not king, but it's good to see and register that Bears fans attending Brough for derbies now seems to be on the up. Long may it continue. Edited October 23, 2017 by Tsunami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 (edited) I thought that what the Northern Junior & Midland Development Leagues were for? I don't know if the riders would be prepared to go back to 13 heats (some riders would miss one ride by not having a heat 14 or 15) and would the pays scale be the same in the 2nd half as in the main match? If so, I can't see the point. You might as well keep it at 15 (it's worked for years, so why change it?). so what was wrong with the 13 ht formula? it worked for years and then the cost cutters came in . local guys gey a few laps after the meeting , but it wont bring them on . sure we have development/nl setups . but you cant beat juniors being involved in the meeting, it make them feel good . not everyone want to be part of a team in the nl . and dont forget the rider of the night , that kept the fans back until the final had been run . scrap all this tac ride rubbish , everyone to get their quota of rides . look at the play off,s and cup meeting , close and no rubbish tac rides . just how it should be . Edited October 23, 2017 by jenga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 so what was wrong with the 13 ht formula? it worked for years and then the cost cutters came in . local guys gey a few laps after the meeting , but it wont bring them on . sure we have development/nl setups . but you cant beat juniors being involved in the meeting, it make them feel good . not everyone want to be part of a team in the nl . and dont forget the rider of the night , that kept the fans back until the final had been run . scrap all this tac ride rubbish , everyone to get their quota of rides . look at the play off,s and cup meeting , close and no rubbish tac rides . just how it should be . The 13 heat formula was ditched because it had become boring . The second halfs had become a waste of time as riders weren't interested and wanted to get on the road as soon as the league match was done . We tinkered with 16 heats with two top scorer races , 18 heats , but the 15 heat formula is the one we went back to and seems to be the preferred option . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 but speedway is still boring and its only the die hard fans that are keeping it afloat . maybe riders should only ride part time and treat ut as a hobby . go back to the early days, it wasnt boring to me or my family ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaramanga Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 speedway needs to cut costs to survive if thats saving money by dropping 2 heats and going back to 13 then im all for it costs need reducing for both fans and promotors alike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauger65 Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 cost cut and provide a weaker product will just accelerate the decline..... this was predicted by many last winter when team limit cut to 40 im all for giving british youngsters a chance but the reserve policy this been a complete failure and provided many predictable races when riders like morris and wilson dean were riding at 6 ..... you knew 5& 6 could get a 5-1 or 1-5 watching 4 weak reserve riders take 16 races and struggle to get around the track is not my idea of entertainment they should have stuck to 1 nl at 7 and a 42,50 average speedway needs to get meetings done in 90 minutes with other efforts by promoters to improve the product Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 speedway needs to cut costs to survive if thats saving money by dropping 2 heats and going back to 13 then im all for it costs need reducing for both fans and promotors alike But would the promoters cut the admission costs accordingly? I doubt it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaramanga Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 But would the promoters cut the admission costs accordingly? I doubt it. your probably right but thats what is needed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontrader Posted October 24, 2017 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 But would the promoters cut the admission costs accordingly? I doubt it. But would the promoters cut the admission costs accordingly? I doubt it. No but it would make more teams break even Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted October 24, 2017 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 No but it would make more teams break even But, the (potential) problem is, if the admission costs remain the same, are fans willing to pay it, to see 2 races less? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waytogo28 Posted October 24, 2017 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 the answer was always there , just go back to the 70s format . 13 heats + a 2nd half. 2 local talent races .( thats where you find your next generation of speedway riders . That would likely be the final nail in the coffin of UK speedway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted October 24, 2017 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 so what was wrong with the 13 ht formula? it worked for years and then the cost cutters came in . local guys gey a few laps after the meeting , but it wont bring them on . sure we have development/nl setups . but you cant beat juniors being involved in the meeting, it make them feel good . not everyone want to be part of a team in the nl . and dont forget the rider of the night , that kept the fans back until the final had been run . scrap all this tac ride rubbish , everyone to get their quota of rides . look at the play off,s and cup meeting , close and no rubbish tac rides . just how it should be . 15-heat-formula is better. Second half rider-of-the-night competitions once had their place, but had become abused - there was never a full compliment of riders in them. All the best Rob 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrace Grumbler Posted October 24, 2017 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 cost cut and provide a weaker product will just accelerate the decline..... this was predicted by many last winter when team limit cut to 40 im all for giving british youngsters a chance but the reserve policy this been a complete failure and provided many predictable races when riders like morris and wilson dean were riding at 6 ..... you knew 5& 6 could get a 5-1 or 1-5 watching 4 weak reserve riders take 16 races and struggle to get around the track is not my idea of entertainment they should have stuck to 1 nl at 7 and a 42,50 average speedway needs to get meetings done in 90 minutes with other efforts by promoters to improve the product The voice of sanity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbieblackadder fan club Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 I think the whole of speedway is at a crossroads,I have watched from afar this year and the whole sport is a mess mainly caused by the doubling up/down rule and I think the general public are getting cheesed of with constantly watching teams with guest,R/R or NL replacements for teams top riders, for years the PL was always a great product and the EL struggled I think the BSPA have destroyed the PL in their search to make the EL better, if you look at most EL teams bar the odd rider they are full of PL riders they need to get their house in order, all speedway promotors need to get together and do what's best for the sport not the individual. I agree with others in that the stipulations for reserves just hasn't worked and it has watered down the product and not delivered what it was set out to do, bring back the 42.5 points limit and let the promotors build a team to their means which ever way they can within the limit. I would hate to see Newcastle close as I think they have one of the better promotions out there and I feel the actions/decisions of others may have an effect on us 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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