Grachan Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 I'm glad you are finding it funny I know Doyle would have been back to back World Champion and it is a very difficult decision to make but I think a lot of fans would like to keep Nick and see him continue his progress. I would be happy with either and obviously would prefer both but I would still go for Nick over Doyle - and not because I think he is better. Nick at number one is new territory for him. Let him test the waters somewhere else then come back as a proper number one if he can make that step. To get rid of Jason Doyle would be a terrible move. Nick is very close to Rosco, so even if he does get loaned out I'm sure he'd be back. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hagonshocker Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 Think we've been planning our side with Doyley for quite a while...doesn't show our clubs ambition to be in much of a good light , we've won the league Gained a world champion and then we piss it up against a wall poor job and this ruling only to the convenience of Terry who didn't want him back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 I think Rosco would've had to let go of either Doyle or Morris anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 With tac subs available too, Doyle is a must. He could be taking 6 rides away from home, and there is a long gap between the number one's second and third rides where he can cover. Or, if we fall a long way behind, he could be out in heats 13, 14 and 15. Surely we're not going to get rid of the World Champion. What a mistake that would be. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattfordfan Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 With tac subs available too, Doyle is a must. He could be taking 6 rides away from home, and there is a long gap between the number one's second and third rides where he can cover. Or, if we fall a long way behind, he could be out in heats 13, 14 and 15. Surely we're not going to get rid of the World Champion. What a mistake that would be. Would be the worst decision in British Speedway history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 Would be the worst decision in British Speedway history. Newman for Starke? KK for Kennett? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattfordfan Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 Newman for Starke? KK for Kennett? Jason Doyle best rider in the world for the last 2 years being dropped for someone who isn't a proven No.1 and has no chance of maintaining his average. Newman's no good tbh. Starke not that much better Kennett for KK. It was a lose lose situation. Either keep the pig ruining team spirit and no effort on track or bring in Ed Kennett who would give it a 100% even though he is a rider of lesser quality. Matt's hands were tied due to the Polish restrictions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coomie Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 (edited) Jason Doyle best rider in the world for the last 2 years being dropped for someone who isn't a proven No.1 and has no chance of maintaining his average. Newman's no good tbh. Starke not that much better Kennett for KK. It was a lose lose situation. Either keep the pig ruining team spirit and no effort on track or bring in Ed Kennett who would give it a 100% even though he is a rider of lesser quality. Matt's hands were tied due to the Polish restrictions. doyley back to Somerset perhaps,where he's still loved by the fans and the hancocks. Edited November 20, 2017 by coomie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 For me - its a no brainer between Doyle and Nick - it has to be Nick and Doyle to KL Why would you choose Nick over Jason? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theblueboy Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 Doyle, although World Champion, failed in my book (on track) to do what a captain should do, which is look after and develop the younger members of the team. Many times last season he left poor Adam to fend for himself when a little bit of thought would have garnered lots more points. Morris was outstanding last season for Swindon and Berwick. He has continued to improve year on year and deservedly won the Swindon rider of the year. His pass in heat 13 at Monmore was immense, will be replayed many more times before I croak and ensured the title returned to Wiltshire The decision between JD and NM, from a speedway perspective, should be a no-brainer. Grachan has already said JD could get up to six rides away from home should it be required. From a management point of view, its a tough one. I personally think it would be a mistake to let JD go, particularly if he wants to ride here in the UK, however, I suspect not having JD back would save Terry Russell a fortune and for that reason i think Swindon will keep Morris and let Doyle go. Not a great start to speedway in the UK 2018, despite all the hype regarding fixed nights and the prospect of GP riders riding in the UK e.g. Vaculik, this smacks of another cost cutting exercise because other promoters are still useless at assembling a competitive side. I am not looking forward to hearing the news of which Swindon asset has won the top prize in the BSPA's Speedway Lottery... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnglishRoundabout Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 I'm glad you are finding it funny I know Doyle would have been back to back World Champion and it is a very difficult decision to make but I think a lot of fans would like to keep Nick and see him continue his progress. I would be happy with either and obviously would prefer both but I would still go for Nick over Doyle - and not because I think he is better. Classic KKS. Getting all excited and predicting each team’s future. Got quite a few user names on the go at the moment I notice too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrhbig Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 (edited) Doyle, although World Champion, failed in my book (on track) to do what a captain should do, which is look after and develop the younger members of the team. Many times last season he left poor Adam to fend for himself when a little bit of thought would have garnered lots more points. Morris was outstanding last season for Swindon and Berwick. He has continued to improve year on year and deservedly won the Swindon rider of the year. His pass in heat 13 at Monmore was immense, will be replayed many more times before I croak and ensured the title returned to Wiltshire The decision between JD and NM, from a speedway perspective, should be a no-brainer. Grachan has already said JD could get up to six rides away from home should it be required. From a management point of view, its a tough one. I personally think it would be a mistake to let JD go, particularly if he wants to ride here in the UK, however, I suspect not having JD back would save Terry Russell a fortune and for that reason i think Swindon will keep Morris and let Doyle go. Not a great start to speedway in the UK 2018, despite all the hype regarding fixed nights and the prospect of GP riders riding in the UK e.g. Vaculik, this smacks of another cost cutting exercise because other promoters are still useless at assembling a competitive side. I am not looking forward to hearing the news of which Swindon asset has won the top prize in the BSPA's Speedway Lottery Its the price of success in speedway!!! Edited November 20, 2017 by hrhbig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyabb17 Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/15672317.Rossiter_to_speak_to_Robins__big_two_after_points_limit_blow/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 Doyle, although World Champion, failed in my book (on track) to do what a captain should do, which is look after and develop the younger members of the team. Many times last season he left poor Adam to fend for himself when a little bit of thought would have garnered lots more points. Morris was outstanding last season for Swindon and Berwick. He has continued to improve year on year and deservedly won the Swindon rider of the year. His pass in heat 13 at Monmore was immense, will be replayed many more times before I croak and ensured the title returned to Wiltshire The decision between JD and NM, from a speedway perspective, should be a no-brainer. Grachan has already said JD could get up to six rides away from home should it be required. From a management point of view, its a tough one. I personally think it would be a mistake to let JD go, particularly if he wants to ride here in the UK, however, I suspect not having JD back would save Terry Russell a fortune and for that reason i think Swindon will keep Morris and let Doyle go. Not a great start to speedway in the UK 2018, despite all the hype regarding fixed nights and the prospect of GP riders riding in the UK e.g. Vaculik, this smacks of another cost cutting exercise because other promoters are still useless at assembling a competitive side. I am not looking forward to hearing the news of which Swindon asset has won the top prize in the BSPA's Speedway Lottery... Nick's heat 13 was just an amazing moment. Of course, at the time, Jason was happily way in front and dominating the race. Team-riding is something of a problem with Jason, though, but overall I know who I would want in a heat 15 last heat decider. Nick's progress has been great though. Maybe a time away will be the making of him, like it was with Martin Ashby. Just wish we could keep both. It's such a shame. The points limit would have prevented us getting too strong anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattfordfan Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 (edited) No DP ride next season. Away from home Doyle could take 6 rides in one night and yet a couple of you want him gone to keep Morris. Jason Doyle possibly in 5 or 6 races in a 15 Heat meeting is an offer you cant refuse unless your stupid. Edited November 20, 2017 by Poole Pirates Fanatic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 No DP ride next season. Away from home Doyle could take 6 rides in one night and yet a couple of you want him gone to keep Morris. Jason Doyle possibly in 5 or 6 races in a 15 Heat meeting is an offer you cant refuse unless your stupid. Or even take 7 rides if the second heatleader is missing! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 Why would you choose Nick over Jason? His average is lower, he is improving, he was the club's rider of the year last year. As I said previously both are good and I would personally go with Nick rather than Doyle but wouldn't be upset either way because both are excellent. Its just a shame that one has to go and of course it would be great to have the world champion in the team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattfordfan Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 His average is lower, he is improving, he was the club's rider of the year last year. As I said previously both are good and I would personally go with Nick rather than Doyle but wouldn't be upset either way because both are excellent. Its just a shame that one has to go and of course it would be great to have the world champion in the team. He improved because pressure was taken off his shoulders therefore he was able to relax last season due to Doyle's brilliance. Riding at No.1 is a different kettle of fish and his average will only go down. Not an opinion its a fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YerRopes Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 (edited) Not happy with this ruling at all I would have to keep Jason though as he is currently the bigger points scorer, however this is so unfair on Nick and Swindon supporters who have seen him progress over the last few years. Rather strange too, that we are allowed to track a rider with 13+ average in 2017, but not permitted 2 of our own riders with 8+ averages in 2018 ! Edited November 20, 2017 by Yer Ropes 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyderd Posted November 20, 2017 Report Share Posted November 20, 2017 He improved because pressure was taken off his shoulders therefore he was able to relax last season due to Doyle's brilliance. Riding at No.1 is a different kettle of fish and his average will only go down. Not an opinion its a fact. How can it be a fact when no wheel has yet been turned 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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