cityrebel Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 A decent meeting tonight on a well prepared track. The racing was better than last weeks play off final, but the crowd was pretty poor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 31 points from the three guests was ok for Wolves. 10 points is doable but not easy. Do we know if it's the same teams tomorrow? I assume it will be. The weather forecast is still dire, let's hope it improves overnight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERACE Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 31 points from the three guests was ok for Wolves. 10 points is doable but not easy. Do we know if it's the same teams tomorrow? I assume it will be. The weather forecast is still dire, let's hope it improves overnight. Belle vue got out of jail tonight big time, wolves should of had this finished tonight, at 16 points up after 11 heats i expected a 20+ points defeat. On to tomorrow (weather permitting) if its the same 6 for wolves then the Aces should really be beating them by more than 10. Nicholls and wells are both average around the nss, morris is ok but not on lingrens level by a long way, masters doesnt seem fully fit to me and we should outscore the reserves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perton Wolf Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 Belle vue got out of jail tonight big time, wolves should of had this finished tonight, at 16 points up after 11 heats i expected a 20+ points defeat. On to tomorrow (weather permitting) if its the same 6 for wolves then the Aces should really be beating them by more than 10. Nicholls and wells are both average around the nss, morris is ok but not on lingrens level by a long way, masters doesnt seem fully fit to me and we should outscore the reserves. I hear our Guests are Lawson, Nicholls and Erik Riss anyway. Was going to be Wells as well but they had already booked Nicholls for both meetings which was a bad move as he isn't good around the NSS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beowulf Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 This is Wolverhampton Speedway official FB page we're talking about here , not some random fans view ? And in light of BV being criticized for using the term 'grudge match' on this forum ...of course its relevant We agree to disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 Doubling up is rife because there are not enough riders..... so where do you think you will get enough riders to have a squad system ?u There are more than enough riders, nothing to do with 'doubling up'. You simply promote National League riders to the 'Championship' and so on. Just how it used to be. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beowulf Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 Some of the Wolves fans are the worst in the country. Bloody hell Fred,yet another new account/alias. Give it a rest, you shame all of the decent Aces fans,which is all of them, except you. Really pleased that we managed to end the season with a home win, particularly with a hotch potch league select side. And that is it now till march.☹️ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted October 10, 2017 Report Share Posted October 10, 2017 A decent meeting tonight on a well prepared track. The racing was better than last weeks play off final, but the crowd was pretty poor. The fans continue to vote with their feet. No one is interested in the KO Cup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 The fans continue to vote with their feet. No one is interested in the KO Cup. Definitely a contributing factor but remember this is a 'Final'... I think overall, running a 'guestfest' Final would have negatively impacted the crowd level much, much more.. The 'Wolves' team(s) used will have destroyed any credible standing the event had in the eyes of many of the fans.. Maybe more home fans will attend the second leg as the Aces didn't reach the PO Final so winning the KO Cup might be seen as some consolation by some Aces fans? .. It isn't really is it though? Given its not really 'Wolves' that we are racing against.. And if the Sport's guardians don't take one of their Finals seriously, why should the fans? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 I think if a team has three or more members missing or if the total with both teams combined is four or more then the fixture shouldn't be run. Filling gaps with guests has been far to easy recently and has resulted in riders missing meetings willy nilly. The current situation with Wolves is quite unique imo as all the riders involved are injured. There is no prospect of rearranging this tie within the current season so I think steps should have been taken to make the Wolves team at least feel like a Wolves team. The inclusion of Wells fits the bill and I would have been happy to see Tai. R/R for another spot would leave only one potential "foreigner" in the wolf pack and I hope give their fans something to genuinely get behind. One side note I'd like to make is that comments about how uninterested fans are about this competition do not contribute to the greater good and should be kept to yourself. A potential sponsor toying with the idea of becoming involved would soon turn away as would any floating supporter. Constructive criticism, yes. Blind pessimism, no. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 (edited) I think if a team has three or more members missing or if the total with both teams combined is four or more then the fixture shouldn't be run. Filling gaps with guests has been far to easy recently and has resulted in riders missing meetings willy nilly. The current situation with Wolves is quite unique imo as all the riders involved are injured. There is no prospect of rearranging this tie within the current season so I think steps should have been taken to make the Wolves team at least feel like a Wolves team. The inclusion of Wells fits the bill and I would have been happy to see Tai. R/R for another spot would leave only one potential "foreigner" in the wolf pack and I hope give their fans something to genuinely get behind. One side note I'd like to make is that comments about how uninterested fans are about this competition do not contribute to the greater good and should be kept to yourself. A potential sponsor toying with the idea of becoming involved would soon turn away as would any floating supporter. Constructive criticism, yes. Blind pessimism, no. I don't think any prospective Sponsor worth their salt would gauge the benefits of getting involved in the Sport from this Forum.... If they did, they probably wouldn't be worth getting involved with anyway given their lack of detailed, quality research.... But just supposing they did, in the past few weeks.... They would have read on here that the KO Cup Final was being contested by two teams with only eight out of fourteen contracted riders there... They would also have read that the Promotion/Relegation play off was being contested by teams who share the same riders meaning they could effectively relegate themselves by scoring points..... They would have also have read about a Club being massively fined for letting one of their riders miss a meeting to ride in Poland whilst also reading that another rider was allowed to miss a fixture to do the same without any punishment... And they would also have read about how an afternoon weather change in Poland one Sunday effected the rules of how a meeting in Newcastle ended up being ran.... All factual information remember, not subjective opinion... No amount of negativity on here could do the amount of damage to the Sport that such an 'operating model' could... (And each week does)... Edited October 11, 2017 by mikebv 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 As a neutral I enjoyed last nights meeting. It was well run with some hard fought racing. On the downside, £21 including prog is far too expensive for the product on offer, multiple guests and double R/R was never going to pull in the punters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therefused Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 Bloody hell Fred,yet another new account/alias. Give it a rest, you shame all of the decent Aces fans,which is all of them, except you. Really pleased that we managed to end the season with a home win, particularly with a hotch potch league select side. And that is it now till march.☹️ Not gonna lie I have no idea who Fred is. Would someone really set up a new account and have over 400 posts? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERACE Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 The fans continue to vote with their feet. No one is interested in the KO Cup. I think its more to do with the disappointment of the final last week and half your team missing tbh. I hear our Guests are Lawson, Nicholls and Erik Riss anyway. Was going to be Wells as well but they had already booked Nicholls for both meetings which was a bad move as he isn't good around the NSS. Thats even weaker than using the same guests as last night, but im not convinced this will be on, bbc weather has it raining 9am until 10pm so if correct looks like we will be on Monday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfsbane Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 I think its more to do with the disappointment of the final last week and half your team missing tbh. Thats even weaker than using the same guests as last night, but im not convinced this will be on, bbc weather has it raining 9am until 10pm so if correct looks like we will be on Monday. Would that be 'allowed' against the televised 2nd leg of Leicester v Sheffield? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted October 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 (edited) Nicholls l, Lawson and Riss guest for wolves tonight. Very surprised by them choices. Ko cup might not mean anything to some wolves fans but for me it's a trophy that I want to win, and we must win. We have not won anything for ages Edited October 11, 2017 by Phil The Ace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 I think if a team has three or more members missing or if the total with both teams combined is four or more then the fixture shouldn't be run. Filling gaps with guests has been far to easy recently and has resulted in riders missing meetings willy nilly. The current situation with Wolves is quite unique imo as all the riders involved are injured. There is no prospect of rearranging this tie within the current season so I think steps should have been taken to make the Wolves team at least feel like a Wolves team. The inclusion of Wells fits the bill and I would have been happy to see Tai. R/R for another spot would leave only one potential "foreigner" in the wolf pack and I hope give their fans something to genuinely get behind. One side note I'd like to make is that comments about how uninterested fans are about this competition do not contribute to the greater good and should be kept to yourself. A potential sponsor toying with the idea of becoming involved would soon turn away as would any floating supporter. Constructive criticism, yes. Blind pessimism, no. We often disagree, but everything you say here is 100% sense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perton Wolf Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 Nicholls l, Lawson and Riss guest for wolves tonight. Very surprised by them choices. Ko cup might not mean anything to some wolves fans but for me it's a trophy that I want to win, and we must win. We have not won anything for ages You certainly should against our patched up side, especially with those choice of Guests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 I don't think any prospective Sponsor worth their salt would gauge the benefits of getting involved in the Sport from this Forum.... If they did, they probably wouldn't be worth getting involved with anyway given their lack of detailed, quality research.... But just supposing they did, in the past few weeks.... They would have read on here that the KO Cup Final was being contested by two teams with only eight out of fourteen contracted riders there... They would also have read that the Promotion/Relegation play off was being contested by teams who share the same riders meaning they could effectively relegate themselves by scoring points..... They would have also have read about a Club being massively fined for letting one of their riders miss a meeting to ride in Poland whilst also reading that another rider was allowed to miss a fixture to do the same without any punishment... And they would also have read about how an afternoon weather change in Poland one Sunday effected the rules of how a meeting in Newcastle ended up being ran.... All factual information remember, not subjective opinion... No amount of negativity on here could do the amount of damage to the Sport that such an 'operating model' could... (And each week does)... I wasn't at all suggesting that a prospective sponsor would use this forum as their only form of research but it not inconceivable that it could form some part of it. As to the other points they are all true but it's highly unlikely they would be read by someone only interested in one particular fixture. The point put across by many is that no one is interested in the KO Cup irrespective of who's missing or what teams or involved. It's this I take issue with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted October 11, 2017 Report Share Posted October 11, 2017 Very strange choice of guests for the second leg. I can't see Nicholls or E Riss scoring more than 6-8 points and could be a few less. Lawson doesn't do well at the NSS but he is a good gater and if it's wet he could get a few wins. Wells also doesn't score a lot at the NSS so I don't think he would have done any better. Peter Adams is an excellent team manager and so often gets the best out of riders so maybe he knows something and all of the guests will be outstanding. The forecast is still poor although not quite as bad. Could be heavy rain throughout the day until about 4/5pm, although it is possible that it may miss the NSS. I understand those complaining about the number of guests and r/r but in this instance the BSPA and their rules are not to blame. Injuries happen and it is just very unfortunate that Wolves have so many riders on the injured list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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