Fourentee Posted October 12, 2017 Report Share Posted October 12, 2017 I wouldn't argue with much of that, though I don't necessarily agree that tracks are set up from the basic premise of home advantage. There is a distinct danger (of which you're doubtless aware) of coming across as just a tiny bit patronising. The NSS is, by its very title, almost morally obliged to provide the best possible racing experience and by all accounts has done so. We (by which I mean British speedway supporters) are very lucky indeed to have it. The issue, of course, is that most British top-flight clubs don't have the blank sheet of paper to start with; they have dog tracks to work within or other parameters that restrict their efforts. While the premise is laudable, what one might term the reality is not always quite as straightforward. I'm trusting that you take this post as the broadly (if not wholly) supportive stance for which I'm aiming and would be interested in your response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted October 12, 2017 Report Share Posted October 12, 2017 (edited) Promoters for ever have known home wins keeps a crowd... Â Great racing but constant defeats means huge losses and potential closure... Â Hence all teams are built to deliver home wins first and foremost and the track will be delivered to suit the home team riders regardless of entertainment value generated... Â Many Promoters don't even consider the entertainment side of the equation anyway, it is simply winning they aspire to... Â Hardly anyone goes away to watch their team therefore how they perform away is very much a secondary consideration so an 'entertaining' team away from home wont be a priority in team planning.. Â Remember for many teams, survival is an achievement, and success isn't measured in trophies won but getting to the end of the season without incurring too huge a loss, meaning they can come to the tapes again the next year.... Â How important home wins are is highlighted by how so many meetings that end up 'guestfests' invariably have the away team turning up without their Number One and others missing... Â The home side wouldn't dream of planning in a meeting without their main man and two or three guests unless absolutely no choice, but the away team will agree to ride readily given the same circumstances... Â Protect your home meeting and crowd level is always the priority.. Edited October 12, 2017 by mikebv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 Any news on Wolves guests, I would get Ritchie Worrall as one, seems to be going well and rode well for Poole earlier in the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregoryM Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 Promoters for ever have known home wins keeps a crowd... Â Great racing but constant defeats means huge losses and potential closure... Â Hence all teams are built to deliver home wins first and foremost and the track will be delivered to suit the home team riders regardless of entertainment value generated... Â Many Promoters don't even consider the entertainment side of the equation anyway, it is simply winning they aspire to... Â Hardly anyone goes away to watch their team therefore how they perform away is very much a secondary consideration so an 'entertaining' team away from home wont be a priority in team planning.. Â Remember for many teams, survival is an achievement, and success isn't measured in trophies won but getting to the end of the season without incurring too huge a loss, meaning they can come to the tapes again the next year.... Â How important home wins are is highlighted by how so many meetings that end up 'guestfests' invariably have the away team turning up without their Number One and others missing... Â The home side wouldn't dream of planning in a meeting without their main man and two or three guests unless absolutely no choice, but the away team will agree to ride readily given the same circumstances... Â Protect your home meeting and crowd level is always the priority.. Sadly, that just about sums up the state of speedway in this country. Any news on Wolves guests, I would get Ritchie Worrall as one, seems to be going well and rode well for Poole earlier in the season. Problem is, no matter how well Richie is going, you are not guaranteed a big score from him at the NSS. He was scoring quite well for Poole in his spell with them earlier this season, but on his appearance as a Pirate at the NSS he scored just 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 Sadly, that just about sums up the state of speedway in this country. Problem is, no matter how well Richie is going, you are not guaranteed a big score from him at the NSS. He was scoring quite well for Poole in his spell with them earlier this season, but on his appearance as a Pirate at the NSS he scored just 1. I don't think his score for Poole at the NSS is a good guide to his form generally at Belle Vue and can be disregarded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted October 13, 2017 Report Share Posted October 13, 2017 He guested for Belle Vue against King's Lynn and scored 7 from 5 rides and in the British Final scored 9 from 5 rides. Both better than his performance for Poole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 14, 2017 Report Share Posted October 14, 2017 (edited) Ritchie Worrall unbeaten so far in Championship riders. I know its his home track but pretty impressive. I'm sure he would be worth a go for wolves on monday. Edited October 15, 2017 by foreverblue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted October 15, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2017 Looks like cook may have a 7 day ban for missing yesterday, Â Assume we can get a guest for him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 15, 2017 Report Share Posted October 15, 2017 Looks like cook may have a 7 day ban for missing yesterday, Â Assume we can get a guest for him Why did he miss yesterday? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted October 15, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2017 Why did he miss yesterday? Through illness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted October 15, 2017 Report Share Posted October 15, 2017 (edited) Why did he miss yesterday?He was ill and apparently has been for a few days. The 7 day ban is automatic but the Management Committee can give him permission to ride. Be interesting to see what they do about Lambert who apparently missed the CLR Final due to injury but rode in Poland. Perhaps Cook hasn't got the same connections. Edited October 15, 2017 by Aces51 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KEITH M Posted October 15, 2017 Report Share Posted October 15, 2017 Â Be interesting to see what they do about Lambert who apparently missed the CLR Final due to injury but rode in Poland. Perhaps Cook hasn't got the same connections. Find me a riders list from original staging of this meeting or from last nights meeting that shows Lambert was ever listed to ride. How can you withdraw from something you were never part of?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted October 15, 2017 Report Share Posted October 15, 2017 Find me a riders list from original staging of this meeting or from last nights meeting that shows Lambert was ever listed to ride. How can you withdraw from something you were never part of?? If that is correct it seems very strange as he is Newcastle's top rider according to the official averages. My understanding is that the top rider from every club qualifies for the event. Was he given special dispensation not to be included and if so, on what basis? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 15, 2017 Report Share Posted October 15, 2017 If that is correct it seems very strange as he is Newcastle's top rider according to the official averages. My understanding is that the top rider from every club qualifies for the event. Was he given special dispensation not to be included and if so, on what basis?Must have some special dispensation as hes not done any shared events in 2017. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted October 15, 2017 Report Share Posted October 15, 2017 (edited) He was listed to ride in the PLR Final. Â He was again said to be injured but rode in Germany on the Friday and Poland on the Sunday. Edited October 15, 2017 by Aces51 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted October 15, 2017 Report Share Posted October 15, 2017 (edited) Through illness  This is becoming a bit to frequent to avoid the suspicion that Cook is simply picking and choosing his meetings, avoiding those he doesn't fancy. Edited October 15, 2017 by SPEEDY69 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted October 15, 2017 Report Share Posted October 15, 2017 Cook not riding is good news for Wolves but still expect Belle Vue to win easily, shame we cant have full teams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
847084 Posted October 15, 2017 Report Share Posted October 15, 2017 Meeting preview on the Wolves site does not list either team. Draw your own conclusions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted October 15, 2017 Report Share Posted October 15, 2017 (edited) Chris Harris guests for Max Fricke while its R/R for Cook. Â Wolves have 3 guests, Scott Nicholls, Richard Lawson and Ritchie Worrall. Â http://www.bellevueaces.co/newsitem.aspx?id=2271 Edited October 15, 2017 by screm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob B Posted October 15, 2017 Report Share Posted October 15, 2017 A change to tomorrow’s line-up sees Chris Harris guest for the Belle Vue ‘Rentruck’ Aces in their Knock Out Cup grand final second leg at the National Speedway Stadium in place of Max Fricke.Belle Vue Speedway have today been advised by the SCB/BSPA Management Committee that Craig Cook will receive a Period of Inactivity for 7 days, as per Speedway Regulation 16.5.1 f.He will be eligible to return on Sunday 22nd October and his clubs are eligible to operate a facility in his absence. Belle Vue Speedway will therefore operate Rider Replacement at No.3.The SCB will issue a further statement on the matter on Monday October 16.BELLE VUE V WOLVERHAMPTON - 7:30PM - MONDAY OCTOBER 16 - SGBP KOC GF L2Belle Vue ‘Rentruck’ AcesKenneth Bjerre, Steve Worrall, Craig Cook R/R, Rohan Tungate, Chris Harris (G), Dan Bewley, Jack Smith; TM: Mark LemonWolverhampton ‘Parrys International’ WolvesScott Nicholls (G), Richard Lawson (G), Richie Worrall (G), Jacob Thorssell R/R, Sam Masters ©, Mark Riss Nathan Greaves; TM: Peter Adams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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