stevebrum Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 Moving Greaves up to no6/senior reserve risks what happened with Clegg this season. I agree. The lesson learned should be to look at more solidity throughout the side with a strong number 6 who can float between top 5 and reserve. Securing a strong number 1 (Fred, Tai, Piotr) is still essential. Hopefully Nicki P isn't under consideration. One of the first questions I will be asking at the upcoming talk in later this month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 I agree. The lesson learned should be to look at more solidity throughout the side with a strong number 6 who can float between top 5 and reserve. Securing a strong number 1 (Fred, Tai, Piotr) is still essential. Hopefully Nicki P isn't under consideration. One of the first questions I will be asking at the upcoming talk in later this month. Unless the Polish Ekstraliga clubs relax the rules, no Danes riding in it will also ride in Britain unless they miss out on an Elitserein spot. I think it very unlikely that the Ekstraliga will relax the rules despite rumors. Pedersen has already signed for Tarnow. Doubt Pedersen would wish to return to Monmore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourentee Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 Doubt Pedersen would wish to return to Monmore. Steve! Steve! Speak to me, Steve! He was fine, honest, but Col said something, I turned round and there he was spark out on the floor... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 Eh? Any news on Lindgren/Thorsell injuries? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 Unless the Polish Ekstraliga clubs relax the rules, no Danes riding in it will also ride in Britain unless they miss out on an Elitserein spot. I think it very unlikely that the Ekstraliga will relax the rules despite rumors. Pedersen has already signed for Tarnow. Doubt Pedersen would wish to return to Monmore. Iversen is saying he is open to coming back to the UK next season and Vaculik has already signed for Leicester. Both ride in Poland, Sweden and own country. It would appear the Poles have been told to do one and rightly so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poolebolton Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 Iversen is saying he is open to coming back to the UK next season and Vaculik has already signed for Leicester. Both ride in Poland, Sweden and own country. It would appear the Poles have been told to do one and rightly so. Vaculik doesnt ride in Sweden and NKI hasn't been given permission to ride in the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 Iversen is saying he is open to coming back to the UK next season and Vaculik has already signed for Leicester. Both ride in Poland, Sweden and own country. It would appear the Poles have been told to do one and rightly so. or the poles have agreed if uk top flight is set race nights... out of interest Steve, does your main employer allow you to work for any other employer you choose to, even if it impacts on your ability to do your job? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfsbane Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 Pedersen. The only thing that would persuade me personally to accept that would be that Wayne Carter was spannering for him 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
847084 Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 Pedersen. The only thing that would persuade me personally to accept that would be that Wayne Carter was spannering for him Some might think the word 'for' is superfluous here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 Vaculik doesnt ride in Sweden he did this year. or the poles have agreed if uk top flight is set race nights... out of interest Steve, does your main employer allow you to work for any other employer you choose to, even if it impacts on your ability to do your job? I don't know of any other line of work where you can be equally employed by different people. Who decides who is the 'main' employer?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 he did this year. I don't know of any other line of work where you can be equally employed by different people. Who decides who is the 'main' employer?? So if in most lines of work you cant have multiple employers, why do you think its unreasonable for the poles to take the same stance?As it is, I think plenty of tradesmen are in a similar situation ie contracting to multiple customers at the same time. I wouldnt think it unreasonable if I was paying 10x the going rate to ask a builder as a condition of taking the contract not take any other jobs til mine was completed? Or would you have an issue with that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCOGNITO Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 Any news on Lindgren/Thorsell injuries? Nothing but silence can be bad news as Poland complete their teams before the end of November and while some have been in contact with Freddie, he hasn't accepted anything and that is worrying as he may know he isn't going to be back as quick as he wanted to. Can see both missing most of next season with the injuries they have had, look at others like Rory that have had much the same injuries and they took a year out. But until anything is officially said we can only hope they are going to be back for next season. Vaculik doesnt ride in Sweden and NKI hasn't been given permission to ride in the UK. Vaculik does ride in Sweden but he is allowed to do three leagues so riding here is the third league As for Iversen, he has signed for Torun in Poland and will no doubt have to ride in Denmark to keep his DMU license so riding here may be instead of Sweden who have some financial problems at a number of tracks and 30 meetings at £3,500 is better than 14 at £7,000 that may never appear. I don't know of any other line of work where you can be equally employed by different people. Who decides who is the 'main' employer?? Your nation is mainly the main employer. Taking Freddie as an example, his Swedish team have priority and in fact Wolves don't own him, they simply have his registration to ride here. However Poland last year took priority as agreed by all promoters here as the money involved is much much more than here and that pulls riders attention there. At present the Poles had priority over their scheduled fixtures so if a British fixture was rearranged to a date of a Polish meeting, they took priority but not so much if they rearranged to a date of a British fixture. This is where the Jack Holder situation is correct on both sides as Poland didn't have priority on him when they recalled him, but the agreement was if he was in a scheduled LEAGUE meeting so they claimed priority because the Fours isn't a league meeting but was scheduled so both thought they had priority. Now Poland are proposing that ALL riders in the top league sign a contract which has a number of new rules and regulations in. At present many have refused to sign these due to a few issues but one new rule is they sign up that Poland have priority for ANY REASON. This means they could recall him for practice, a press day, meeting sponsors etc and with the money on offer the riders will sign up after a few changes are made. So basically, Poland have main priority now followed by home league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poolebolton Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 Vaculik for the 2018 season will not ride in Sweden. He does not have a club and will not get one. The UK is his 3rd league after Poland and Home country. NKI has 3 teams for 2018 and needs permission off Torun to sign for a UK team. Hence why he said there was some rules to get past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 So if in most lines of work you cant have multiple employers, why do you think its unreasonable for the poles to take the same stance? As it is, I think plenty of tradesmen are in a similar situation ie contracting to multiple customers at the same time. I wouldnt think it unreasonable if I was paying 10x the going rate to ask a builder as a condition of taking the contract not take any other jobs til mine was completed? Or would you have an issue with that? builders will do what suits them even if they are offered more money. If you have a contract with a builder you will surely expect them to prioritise your work no less than any other. I'm sure some builders do take a job on with more money offered but they wouldn't need to take any further work which is much different to the life of a speedway rider who signs a contract for 8-9 months in different countries. Personally I couldn't care less who pays more money. Sign a contract, and honour it. Your nation is mainly the main employer. Taking Freddie as an example, his Swedish team have priority and in fact Wolves don't own him, they simply have his registration to ride here. However Poland last year took priority as agreed by all promoters here as the money involved is much much more than here and that pulls riders attention there. At present the Poles had priority over their scheduled fixtures so if a British fixture was rearranged to a date of a Polish meeting, they took priority but not so much if they rearranged to a date of a British fixture. This is where the Jack Holder situation is correct on both sides as Poland didn't have priority on him when they recalled him, but the agreement was if he was in a scheduled LEAGUE meeting so they claimed priority because the Fours isn't a league meeting but was scheduled so both thought they had priority. Now Poland are proposing that ALL riders in the top league sign a contract which has a number of new rules and regulations in. At present many have refused to sign these due to a few issues but one new rule is they sign up that Poland have priority for ANY REASON. This means they could recall him for practice, a press day, meeting sponsors etc and with the money on offer the riders will sign up after a few changes are made. So basically, Poland have main priority now followed by home league And it's still wrong IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyderd Posted November 12, 2017 Report Share Posted November 12, 2017 So if in most lines of work you cant have multiple employers, why do you think its unreasonable for the poles to take the same stance? As it is, I think plenty of tradesmen are in a similar situation ie contracting to multiple customers at the same time. I wouldnt think it unreasonable if I was paying 10x the going rate to ask a builder as a condition of taking the contract not take any other jobs til mine was completed? Or would you have an issue with that? If you are comparing a builder to a speedway rider then the builder might. Poland race on a Sunday so have priority, that leaves 6 days for a speedway rider to earn as much as he can during his relatively short career. For the sake of Speedway generally, all countries motorcycle governing bodies should meet in the closed season and come to sensible decisions that are fair to all countries and Riders 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 12, 2017 Report Share Posted November 12, 2017 If you are comparing a builder to a speedway rider then the builder might. Poland race on a Sunday so have priority, that leaves 6 days for a speedway rider to earn as much as he can during his relatively short career. For the sake of Speedway generally, all countries motorcycle governing bodies should meet in the closed season and come to sensible decisions that are fair to all countries and Riders That already happens and is fine - until the Poles don't like what is being suggested. The Poles have been expanding their racedays through the week because of TV demands, hence their keenness to ensure all their riders favour all their fixtures! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCOGNITO Posted November 12, 2017 Report Share Posted November 12, 2017 Vaculik for the 2018 season will not ride in Sweden. He does not have a club and will not get one. The UK is his 3rd league after Poland and Home country. NKI has 3 teams for 2018 and needs permission off Torun to sign for a UK team. Hence why he said there was some rules to get past. It's the PZM and PGE Extraliga that insist on this ruling and won't allow anyone to break that. Piotr Protasiewicz nearly came over this season but was stopped as he already did three leagues and that is why Iversen never signed for Kings Lynn also. If he has agreed terms in Sweden then he has chosen his three leagues himself. . On to Wolves and Jacob Thorssell has been named in Zielona Gora team while Freddie has been out walking saying everything is on plan to be back next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poolebolton Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 It's the PZM and PGE Extraliga that insist on this ruling and won't allow anyone to break that. Piotr Protasiewicz nearly came over this season but was stopped as he already did three leagues and that is why Iversen never signed for Kings Lynn also. If he has agreed terms in Sweden then he has chosen his three leagues himself. . On to Wolves and Jacob Thorssell has been named in Zielona Gora team while Freddie has been out walking saying everything is on plan to be back next season. From what I understand Matt Ford got permission from PZM and Extraliga. But then the club wanted a couple of million if they got injured. Which no UK team can afford. So it is some teams which stop riders coming over to the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call me wolfie Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 Freddie has signed for Czestochowa, his neck brace is now off and is building up his fitness on a cross trainer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyderd Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 (edited) So if in most lines of work you cant have multiple employers, why do you think its unreasonable for the poles to take the same stance? As it is, I think plenty of tradesmen are in a similar situation ie contracting to multiple customers at the same time. I wouldnt think it unreasonable if I was paying 10x the going rate to ask a builder as a condition of taking the contract not take any other jobs til mine was completed? Or would you have an issue with that? Speedway riders do not ride for the same club 5 days in every week, if they did then your point has weight, The Poles are effectively tying their riders to 3 leagues, meaning 3 day working weeks. How ironic that the great man Lech Wałęsa,who fought for workers rights in Poland, now Polish speedway is trying to reverse it. PS no idea how the type has suddenly gone bold.lol Edited November 15, 2017 by hyderd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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