847084 Posted July 6, 2018 Report Share Posted July 6, 2018 On 7/6/2018 at 12:40 PM, DC2 said: Not necessarily. More guests are often due to having more foreign riders with international commitments, especially GP riders, so dumbing down with UK riders (even double uppers) can be better, although I would prefer one big league of 16 or 18 teams with no double upping. Expand If you discount double uppers there are less than 100 separate riders currently in Premiership and Championship teams. Enough for 13 teams. The writing is on the wall, and has been for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVEHOLS54 Posted July 6, 2018 Report Share Posted July 6, 2018 On 7/6/2018 at 2:09 PM, 847084 said: If you discount double uppers there are less than 100 separate riders currently in Premiership and Championship teams. Enough for 13 teams. The writing is on the wall, and has been for years. Expand just aired my thoughts on a way forward on the Poole 2018 Forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted July 6, 2018 Report Share Posted July 6, 2018 On 7/6/2018 at 2:09 PM, 847084 said: If you discount double uppers there are less than 100 separate riders currently in Premiership and Championship teams. Enough for 13 teams. The writing is on the wall, and has been for years. Expand Trying to labour this point for several seasons now. there just aren’t enough riders of suitable quality to fill all team places unless the race format is decreased. The plan to dispense with the mimimum amount of British riders in reserve is also yet another short sighted approach to something that was working yet dispense with it because it didn’t suit all teams. Put British riders and youngsters FIRST before you make any further plans going forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted July 6, 2018 Report Share Posted July 6, 2018 On 7/6/2018 at 1:48 PM, BWitcher said: You're clearly living on a different planet if you think dumbing down and having MORE double uppers is better and isn't the cause of more guests. Expand Chill, BWitcher, have an ice cold Verdelho and read my post again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 6, 2018 Report Share Posted July 6, 2018 (edited) On 7/6/2018 at 2:54 PM, DC2 said: Chill, BWitcher, have an ice cold Verdelho and read my post again. Expand I've read it, it is nonsense. 'dumbing down with double up riders can be better'. Absolute ridiculous nonsense. Edited July 6, 2018 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted July 6, 2018 Report Share Posted July 6, 2018 On 7/6/2018 at 2:09 PM, 847084 said: If you discount double uppers there are less than 100 separate riders currently in Premiership and Championship teams. Enough for 13 teams. The writing is on the wall, and has been for years. Expand And there’s about 150 riders listed on the 2017 year end averages, plus more newbies this year than retirees. Plenty for 16 or 18 teams, with excellent NL youngsters ready for reserve berths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted July 6, 2018 Report Share Posted July 6, 2018 On 7/6/2018 at 2:55 PM, BWitcher said: I've read it, it is nonsense. 'dumbing down with double up riders can be better'. Absolute ridiculous nonsense. Expand Ah, but you didn’t take long enough to chill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVEHOLS54 Posted July 6, 2018 Report Share Posted July 6, 2018 On 7/6/2018 at 2:56 PM, DC2 said: And there’s about 150 riders listed on the 2017 year end averages, plus more newbies this year than retirees. Plenty for 16 or 18 teams, with excellent NL youngsters ready for reserve berths. Expand Aha. Someone coming around to partly my way of thinking if you read my post on the Poole Forum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted July 6, 2018 Report Share Posted July 6, 2018 Yep, Stevebrum cough .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVEHOLS54 Posted July 6, 2018 Report Share Posted July 6, 2018 On 7/6/2018 at 4:01 PM, DC2 said: Yep, Stevebrum cough .... Expand Well its a start Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted July 7, 2018 Report Share Posted July 7, 2018 On 7/6/2018 at 4:01 PM, DC2 said: Yep, Stevebrum cough .... Expand Keep kidding yourself if you think there enough QUALITY riders to fill all team places. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 7, 2018 Report Share Posted July 7, 2018 On 7/7/2018 at 8:11 AM, stevebrum said: Keep kidding yourself if you think there enough QUALITY riders to fill all team places. Expand In the late 80's we had riders like Shane Cooper, Ade Hoole, Andy Sumner, Chris Cobby turning out for Wolves in the top flight. They were no better than National League riders today.. and that was when the league was a lot stronger. There's more than enough riders. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted July 8, 2018 Report Share Posted July 8, 2018 On 7/7/2018 at 11:37 PM, BWitcher said: In the late 80's we had riders like Shane Cooper, Ade Hoole, Andy Sumner, Chris Cobby turning out for Wolves in the top flight. They were no better than National League riders today.. and that was when the league was a lot stronger. There's more than enough riders. Expand Disagree. I watch NL every week and there are some that would be able to deal with the increase in standard. Why don’t you add in the Development league riders then on paper there would be plenty more. merely stating numbers only gives a very closed opinion. It could only work if you strip back the level and kick out the top standard boys. No doubt some will be happy with that. Many wouldn’t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 8, 2018 Report Share Posted July 8, 2018 On 7/8/2018 at 11:29 AM, stevebrum said: Disagree. I watch NL every week and there are some that would be able to deal with the increase in standard. Why don’t you add in the Development league riders then on paper there would be plenty more. merely stating numbers only gives a very closed opinion. It could only work if you strip back the level and kick out the top standard boys. No doubt some will be happy with that. Many wouldn’t. Expand I stated a fact, it's not something to disagree with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted July 8, 2018 Report Share Posted July 8, 2018 On 7/8/2018 at 11:43 AM, BWitcher said: I stated a fact, it's not something to disagree with. Expand As previously stated, just to remind you, I stated there aren’t enough riders of suitable quality to fill all team places if both leagues stay the same or merge. I don’t need anyone to agree or disagree with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted July 8, 2018 Report Share Posted July 8, 2018 On 7/8/2018 at 12:14 PM, stevebrum said: As previously stated, just to remind you, I stated there aren’t enough riders of suitable quality to fill all team places if both leagues stay the same or merge. I don’t need anyone to agree or disagree with that. Expand I pointed out to you there were riders of National League level quality riding in the top flight for Wolves in the late 80's when the league was far far stronger. That's a fact. If they went down the route of a big league the talent would be spread out across teams. Each side would theoretically have a stand out No 1, they'd have three heat leaders averaging 8+. Second strings would be second strings.. reserves would be reserves, in the main how it always used to be. The bottom end would be full of riders of a similar level, their jobs would be to score 3-4 pts.. not the 9-10 some expect from reserves now.. Again, just how it used to be. Some of those riders would develop and move up.. others wouldn't.. just how it used to be. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin wood Posted July 8, 2018 Report Share Posted July 8, 2018 On 7/8/2018 at 1:47 PM, BWitcher said: I pointed out to you there were riders of National League level quality riding in the top flight for Wolves in the late 80's when the league was far far stronger. That's a fact. If they went down the route of a big league the talent would be spread out across teams. Each side would theoretically have a stand out No 1, they'd have three heat leaders averaging 8+. Second strings would be second strings.. reserves would be reserves, in the main how it always used to be. The bottom end would be full of riders of a similar level, their jobs would be to score 3-4 pts.. not the 9-10 some expect from reserves now.. Again, just how it used to be. Some of those riders would develop and move up.. others wouldn't.. just how it used to be. Expand Very good post and I think this is the way speedway will have to go. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWC Posted July 10, 2018 Report Share Posted July 10, 2018 (edited) The system is skewed as you have Klindt a Poole reserve based purely on an average below his 5 team mates able to take 7 rides! Need to go back to 4 rides 1 - 5 and 3 rides 6 & 7. Reserves are reserves not team members allowed an advantage of 7 rides. Edited July 10, 2018 by GWC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Flag Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 Getting worried with Jacob now, thought he looked really uncomfortable on the bike on Monday and he has failed to score on successive nights in the Swedish League Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call me wolfie Posted July 19, 2018 Report Share Posted July 19, 2018 On 7/19/2018 at 5:03 AM, Red Flag said: Getting worried with Jacob now, thought he looked really uncomfortable on the bike on Monday and he has failed to score on successive nights in the Swedish League Expand With the current averages he will be back at 4 or 5 on 1st August with probably Rory the No 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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