Najjer Posted January 24, 2018 Report Share Posted January 24, 2018 33 minutes ago, DC2 said: Yes, there is. There’s plenty of riders. And even easier if it were compulsory to have two U.K. riders at reserve. Thus watering down the product further. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted January 24, 2018 Report Share Posted January 24, 2018 55 minutes ago, sugarray said: Unfortunately think it's Lakeside. As it should be. Friday isn't a Premiership race day. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted January 24, 2018 Report Share Posted January 24, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Najjer said: It should be Somerset as he rode for us last season, assuming that's how the priority still works. I presume as we are riding on a now "off racenight" that may throw a spanner in the works. Is he not an asset of Lakeside? and Friday isn't an agreed Premiership day so it should be Lakeside. Edited January 24, 2018 by Steve0 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted January 24, 2018 Report Share Posted January 24, 2018 3 hours ago, DC2 said: There are plenty. This is a myth. Just count all the riders who rode last year in the PL and the CL. And we'd have plenty more if we didn't keep forcing British riders out of the sport because their average doesn't fit. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted January 24, 2018 Report Share Posted January 24, 2018 3 hours ago, Najjer said: Thus watering down the product further. Nope. The draft system in the EL brought on Steve Worrall, Jason Garrity, Kyle Newman, Charles Wright, Stefan Nielsen, Lewis Rose, James Sarjeant, Josh Bates and Lewis Kerr and if persevered with could now include Wajtknecht, Bowtell, Bewley, Bickley, Jenkins and Kemp! Surely a brilliant idea if properly run and supported? Much better for UK speedway than having the likes of Graversen, Pijper, Etheridge and Konopka at reserve. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomersetBlue Posted January 24, 2018 Report Share Posted January 24, 2018 6 hours ago, Najjer said: Rumours are we are going to be making another signing before the start of the season - As we are in need of a new track man! I thought Ez was the track man, have I missed something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RebelDan Posted January 24, 2018 Report Share Posted January 24, 2018 What a complete joke this is pretty much 2 home fixtures a month apart from August - what complete morons we have running the sport in this country. A perfect remedy to put supporters off who will clearly get out of the habit of attending very quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poolebolton Posted January 24, 2018 Report Share Posted January 24, 2018 22 minutes ago, Always a RACER said: What a complete joke this is pretty much 2 home fixtures a month apart from August - what complete morons we have running the sport in this country. A perfect remedy to put supporters off who will clearly get out of the habit of attending very quickly. What do you want? People want more yet the crowds are poor then. You get 7 home meetings in Poland and that seems to work. Any more and we won’t be able to afford it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted January 24, 2018 Report Share Posted January 24, 2018 6 hours ago, DC2 said: There are plenty. This is a myth. Just count all the riders who rode last year in the PL and the CL. Not enough to fill 2 leagues unless you fill them with sub standard NL riders and certainly no way unless it's double or triple up/down. It's a myth there are enough riders to go around. There isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RebelDan Posted January 24, 2018 Report Share Posted January 24, 2018 22 minutes ago, poolebolton said: What do you want? People want more yet the crowds are poor then. You get 7 home meetings in Poland and that seems to work. Any more and we won’t be able to afford it. Clubs will end up with lower attendances if they keep reducing the fixture list due to punters habits. If the argument is the clubs can’t afford more fixtures, then that implies they are not breaking even on the fixtures they have, which is a whole other debate. I don’t buy that crowds will drop if you went from say 15 home fixtures a season to 20, especially if you programme them to gain the maximum commercial benefit during the peak periods which a lot of clubs don’t! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted January 24, 2018 Report Share Posted January 24, 2018 Each to their own, not racing every single week suits me down to the ground to be honest. Less fixtures also makes it more 'important' when there is a match. It can be so easy if there is fixtures every week to say "nah I'll just go next week" instead. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted January 25, 2018 Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 11 hours ago, stevebrum said: Not enough to fill 2 leagues unless you fill them with sub standard NL riders and certainly no way unless it's double or triple up/down. It's a myth there are enough riders to go around. There isn't. 119 riders needed for 17 7 man teams while 126 different riders rode in the PL and the CL last year, so, yes, there are enough riders. And that’s not counting the new 13 riders who are coming in this year or 6 emerging NL ones. Rider shortage does not prevent one big league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted January 25, 2018 Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 1 minute ago, DC2 said: 119 riders needed for 17 7 man teams while 126 different riders rode in the PL and the CL last year, so, yes, there are enough riders. And that’s not counting the new 13 riders who are coming in this year or 6 emerging NL ones. Rider shortage does not prevent one big league. All well and good having the right amount of riders, but that doesn't allow for having the right riders. You would end up with some teams that are stupidly weak, which in turn lowers the points limit to being a fairer leveller and again watering the product further. So yes, rider shortage does prevent one big league. Now a bigger top division of 12 or so teams is a completely different kettle of fish. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted January 25, 2018 Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 Now we’ve established there are enough riders, equality of teams will come down to the right rules and points limits for team building. Poole and Glasgow might have a GP rider or two while Newcastle and Berwick have a more balanced top 5, but their team points would be limited and the reserves could be a fair share of young Brits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted January 25, 2018 Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 23 minutes ago, DC2 said: 119 riders needed for 17 7 man teams while 126 different riders rode in the PL and the CL last year, so, yes, there are enough riders. And that’s not counting the new 13 riders who are coming in this year or 6 emerging NL ones. Rider shortage does not prevent one big league. I thought there were 18 SGBP/SGBC teams last year. In 2018 there are 19 teams of 7 riders and not enough riders of SGBP/SGBC standard for one league - in my opinion of course!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted January 25, 2018 Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 17 minutes ago, DC2 said: Now we’ve established there are enough riders, equality of teams will come down to the right rules and points limits for team building. Poole and Glasgow might have a GP rider or two while Newcastle and Berwick have a more balanced top 5, but their team points would be limited and the reserves could be a fair share of young Brits. One big league would have to be at Championship level - so no GP riders for a start. There are also 17 Premiership riders with an average over 6 and no Championship average, so if you deduct those, you're down to 109. In 2018 there will be 19 teams requiring 133 riders, so you're at least 24 riders short. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poolebolton Posted January 25, 2018 Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 22 minutes ago, MattK said: One big league would have to be at Championship level - so no GP riders for a start. There are also 17 Premiership riders with an average over 6 and no Championship average, so if you deduct those, you're down to 109. In 2018 there will be 19 teams requiring 133 riders, so you're at least 24 riders short. If you reduce the quality further you will get less fans. People want to see GP riders. Biggest thing in speedway in the UK is the GP on TV and people want to see those riders. Doyle vs Vaculik heat 1 is better than anything else. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted January 25, 2018 Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 11 hours ago, Najjer said: Each to their own, not racing every single week suits me down to the ground to be honest. Less fixtures also makes it more 'important' when there is a match. It can be so easy if there is fixtures every week to say "nah I'll just go next week" instead. Agree with that. Weekly speedway can be a chore whilst fortnightly on occasion makes it more of an event. Plus obviously Somerset have ensured they are running every week during the summer holidays to maximise potential crowds. To make this happen there had to be gaps open up somewhere else 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted January 25, 2018 Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 25 minutes ago, poolebolton said: If you reduce the quality further you will get less fans. People want to see GP riders. Biggest thing in speedway in the UK is the GP on TV and people want to see those riders. Doyle vs Vaculik heat 1 is better than anything else. I don't disagree, I am merely stating that if one big league with 19 teams was ever to be a serious proposition, it would have to be pitched at a Championship level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted January 25, 2018 Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 1 hour ago, DC2 said: 119 riders needed for 17 7 man teams while 126 different riders rode in the PL and the CL last year, so, yes, there are enough riders. And that’s not counting the new 13 riders who are coming in this year or 6 emerging NL ones. Rider shortage does not prevent one big league. Your wrong and your maths are all wrong too. It's 19 teams in the top 2 leagues. Can't count riders who double up as 2 spaces. You would be missing riders by your own idea. It's proven there aren't enough riders to fill both leagues, certainly not of the standard required to fill both leagues or one big league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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