STEVEHOLS54 Posted November 11, 2017 Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 The Chris Holder I first got to know never complained and was very easy going. Really don't know why the change in attitude. Its maybe easy for many to be judgemental when looking from a distance. But consider the following. Chris almost lost his best friend - soul mate and kind of young protégé in Darcy Ward. They were like 2 kids at times but the bond was close. Following on from that and not far behind was his split from partner Sealy and the mother of his son Max. To add further salt to the wounds was that his engines were not firing in 2017 and there were tuning problems with Alan John's engines and well documented by John's himself. I am sure all factors may have also hit his confidence because how can a guy who was so comfortably in the top 8 SGP riders for so long plus was third in GSA only to Doyle and NKI in 2016 fall so far so quickly. Have said countless times now that he deserves this year at SGP level as well as with Torun and whichever UK Club he signs for. If he screws it up this year then he only has himself to blame as he can't use the previous years issues to haunt him forever. If he messes it up in 2018 then he may well lose his SGP place - His UK team place and also most importantly for his Bank Balance, his long term place for so long in Poland - Torun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted November 11, 2017 Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 Its maybe easy for many to be judgemental when looking from a distance. But consider the following. Chris almost lost his best friend - soul mate and kind of young protégé in Darcy Ward. They were like 2 kids at times but the bond was close. Following on from that and not far behind was his split from partner Sealy and the mother of his son Max. To add further salt to the wounds was that his engines were not firing in 2017 and there were tuning problems with Alan John's engines and well documented by John's himself. I am sure all factors may have also hit his confidence because how can a guy who was so comfortably in the top 8 SGP riders for so long plus was third in GSA only to Doyle and NKI in 2016 fall so far so quickly. Have said countless times now that he deserves this year at SGP level as well as with Torun and whichever UK Club he signs for. If he screws it up this year then he only has himself to blame as he can't use the previous years issues to haunt him forever. If he messes it up in 2018 then he may well lose his SGP place - His UK team place and also most importantly for his Bank Balance, his long term place for so long in Poland - Torun. The above may well be true,but that shouldn't be a reason for him slag British speedway off the way he does.And theres "That night"...He didn't seem to worry about the fans or his team..I think he's ok on his average and might up it a point,but i'd only take him if i was a win at all costs promoter 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnglishRoundabout Posted November 11, 2017 Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 The above may well be true,but that shouldn't be a reason for him slag British speedway off the way he does.And theres "That night"...He didn't seem to worry about the fans or his team..I think he's ok on his average and might up it a point,but i'd only take him if i was a win at all costs promoter Worry about the fans or the team? When was any speedway rider worried about either of those? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Bloke Posted November 11, 2017 Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 Worry about the fans or the team? When was any speedway rider worried about either of those? Quite a few on that Thursday night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnglishRoundabout Posted November 11, 2017 Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 Self employed businessmen don’t worry about anything apart from where their next shilling is coming from. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted November 12, 2017 Report Share Posted November 12, 2017 Self employed businessmen don’t worry about anything apart from where their next shilling is coming from. Nonsense. Every self-employed businessman should worry about the job he does for his customer and his customer’s opinion of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalan Posted November 12, 2017 Report Share Posted November 12, 2017 Yep but also we all work to earn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skidder1 Posted November 12, 2017 Report Share Posted November 12, 2017 Nonsense. Every self-employed businessman should worry about the job he does for his customer and his customer’s opinion of him. True, but every customer should also make sure that the working conditions in which the self-employed businessman is being asked to do his job also meet acceptable standards - or the self-employed businessman can choose not to do the job! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalan Posted November 12, 2017 Report Share Posted November 12, 2017 So true I've never done it but I know I can pick up my tools and walk away if conditions are not right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted November 12, 2017 Report Share Posted November 12, 2017 True, but every customer should also make sure that the working conditions in which the self-employed businessman is being asked to do his job also meet acceptable standards - or the self-employed businessman can choose not to do the job! Batch and Noddy tried that - didnt end well! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnglishRoundabout Posted November 12, 2017 Report Share Posted November 12, 2017 Nonsense. Every self-employed businessman should worry about the job he does for his customer and his customer’s opinion of him. All that comes after he/she has worried where their next shilling is coming from..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomersetBlue Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 (edited) NKI would be a fantastic signing, or maybe someone like Lebedevs. Also what do people think of potentially riding monday and another day? Edited November 13, 2017 by Brummie Rebel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalan Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 Thought Thursday seemed the preferred choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james1234 Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 No chance NKI will be at Somerset, he'll be at King's Lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomersetBlue Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 Thought Thursday seemed the preferred choice. Going by what Leicester have said it's Monday and one other day which isn't known yet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coomie Posted November 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 NKI would be a fantastic signing, or maybe someone like Lebedevs. Also what do people think of potentially riding monday and another day?would love Mondays would like weekend even more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RebelDan Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 (edited) Thought Thursday seemed the preferred choice. Surely those Robins would object to that - I hope they don't pick a Weds - theres too much footie on Edited November 13, 2017 by Rebel Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 No chance NKI will be at Somerset, he'll be at King's LynnWe hope so! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalan Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 Surely those Robins would object to that - I hope they don't pick a Weds - theres too much footie on Why? Somerset is a few miles from Swindon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sommelier Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 NKI would be a fantastic signing, or maybe someone like Lebedevs. Also what do people think of potentially riding monday and another day? ANY day but Friday, M5 is a nightmare Fridays! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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