PE7Panther Posted December 22, 2017 Report Share Posted December 22, 2017 (edited) 57 minutes ago, bigcatdiary said: I wasn’t at the recent fans Forum but I have it on good authority that those present were told we wouldn’t be staging the Fours in 2018. Biggest single BSPA event earner for 2017, went well didn’t it. I was at the recent forum, and I can confirm that it IS what were were told. The phrase "stick it where the sun doesn't shine" wasn't actually mentioned, but nobody present was left in any doubt about what lay behind it - or about the reasons. I hope Ged did tell the BSPA to "stick it....." - or preferably a stronger version! Cue a raft of snidey anti-Panthers/anti-Ged comments from the usual suspects - all with a wafer-thin pretence of it being merely "banter" Edited December 22, 2017 by PE7Panther 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New era Panthers Posted December 22, 2017 Report Share Posted December 22, 2017 3 hours ago, Flappy said: The rider says different http://www.speedwaygb.co/news.php?extend.33653 Anyway with this new so called rule how can we wait for a heat leader? Either way the team looks terrible. It was bad enough from the first four riders signed adding Grondal to it as made it even worse as there is very little leeway with positions to fill, if they had left it at the four signed there would have been more opportunity with different combinations of riders . Panthers only hope now is they relax the 6 point rule that allows them to bring in a proper NO1, which is what they should have been looking into the moment they knew they had lost Harris. Then maybe we would not be in this position . All this uncertainty of just who will be in the team and maybe playing a waiting game hoping for a rule change is not good business IMO. It could affect season ticket sales and also sponsorship deals for the club and riders. The only way you can describe it at best is shoddy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted December 22, 2017 Report Share Posted December 22, 2017 2 hours ago, bigcatdiary said: I wasn’t at the recent fans Forum but I have it on good authority that those present were told we wouldn’t be staging the Fours in 2018. Biggest single BSPA event earner for 2017, went well didn’t it. That's what I said umpteen posts ago. As usual with anything speedway it's the why that's unlear without having to rely on reading between the lines of what someone thinks that the reason is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted December 23, 2017 Report Share Posted December 23, 2017 10 hours ago, PE7Panther said: I was at the recent forum, and I can confirm that it IS what were were told. The phrase "stick it where the sun doesn't shine" wasn't actually mentioned, but nobody present was left in any doubt about what lay behind it - or about the reasons. I hope Ged did tell the BSPA to "stick it....." - or preferably a stronger version! Cue a raft of snidey anti-Panthers/anti-Ged comments from the usual suspects - all with a wafer-thin pretence of it being merely "banter" Nothing anti from me on this one Cant blame Ged at all for a 'stick it' stance Will save my 'snidey banter' for something else 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedway197635 Posted December 23, 2017 Report Share Posted December 23, 2017 On 22/12/2017 at 8:29 AM, Flappy said: We should rip up the side but we won't. Is anyone that confident the rule will change anyway? Can tell you 100% it is in january. That's why your not naming anymore riders yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappy Posted December 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2017 1 hour ago, Speedway197635 said: Can tell you 100% it is in january. That's why your not naming anymore riders yet. What the rule is changing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted December 23, 2017 Report Share Posted December 23, 2017 7 hours ago, Speedway197635 said: Can tell you 100% it is in january. That's why your not naming anymore riders yet. How can they change the rules now, the season hasn't even started and the great and the good are tinkering already. Anyway there isn't any indication that rules will be changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alang Posted December 23, 2017 Report Share Posted December 23, 2017 What the BSPA really need to do is take into account all the issues arising from conference regarding averages,league set-ups, team building etc.,admit they made a complete mess of things and say 2018-new year,fresh start,lets have another meeting in January and redo the whole thing before 2018 is an even bigger mess than 2017.It won't happen but for the sake of the sport somebody somewhere needs to get a grip on reality 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted December 23, 2017 Report Share Posted December 23, 2017 workington are waiting on the outcome of scotty n average too ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted December 23, 2017 Report Share Posted December 23, 2017 (edited) 48 minutes ago, alang said: What the BSPA really need to do is take into account all the issues arising from conference regarding averages,league set-ups, team building etc.,admit they made a complete mess of things and say 2018-new year,fresh start,lets have another meeting in January and redo the whole thing before 2018 is an even bigger mess than 2017.It won't happen but for the sake of the sport somebody somewhere needs to get a grip on reality “All promoters left the meeting with great enthusiasm towards the 2018 season.” Same time next year lads! At least we're not guilty because we had no representation. Edited December 23, 2017 by Crump99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappy Posted December 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2017 36 minutes ago, jenga said: workington are waiting on the outcome of scotty n average too ! It's not Scotty we're waiting for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted December 23, 2017 Report Share Posted December 23, 2017 All the promoters left the AGM a few weeks ago with an agreement on the rules for the 2018 season, including team building. They cannot all of a sudden, and half way through team building, change the rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted December 23, 2017 Report Share Posted December 23, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, screm said: How can they change the rules now, the season hasn't even started and the great and the good are tinkering already. Anyway there isn't any indication that rules will be changed. They can do anything that they want and they wouldn't let looking incompetent get in the way. Usually no smoke without fire. (answers other post as well) As long as everyone else has time to work with the new rules before a wheel is turned then it can be seen as fair even if a bit of a cock up, but what's new! Edited December 23, 2017 by Crump99 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted December 23, 2017 Report Share Posted December 23, 2017 If they change the rules..all teams put together should be null and void and team building should be allowed to start a fresh for everyone....That's the only fair way of doing it. also every riders average assessed or re assessed and open to all teams...not assessed on case by case 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted December 23, 2017 Report Share Posted December 23, 2017 1 hour ago, Baldyman said: If they change the rules..all teams put together should be null and void and team building should be allowed to start a fresh for everyone....That's the only fair way of doing it. also every riders average assessed or re assessed and open to all teams...not assessed on case by case Teambuilding would start afresh. Those teams who already have a line up can choose whether or not they wish to change. It's potentially a cock up with no right answer and winners and losers but who is surprised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted December 23, 2017 Report Share Posted December 23, 2017 If the rules change can those teams still wanting a top no1 actually afford to sign them Imagine the price Scott can demand now Bidding to start at £150 per point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted December 23, 2017 Report Share Posted December 23, 2017 2 grand a meeting I would think....150 a point as you say you be the minimum....considering he wanted double his previous offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted December 23, 2017 Report Share Posted December 23, 2017 so if the rule changes near the start of the season. what will happen to all those riders that have invested heavily in new equipment, signed into a van hire agreement .sponsorship sourced and other stuff . where are they left . the rule cannot be changednow and must not be changed, just because some fans/promoters could not get the riders they wanted after the AGM. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedway197635 Posted December 23, 2017 Report Share Posted December 23, 2017 4 hours ago, screm said: How can they change the rules now, the season hasn't even started and the great and the good are tinkering already. Anyway there isn't any indication that rules will be changed. I'm telling you it is going to happen I know that for a fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappy Posted December 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2017 (edited) So if what's stated above is true and the rule gets changed which formula works best? 13.76 left Hans Anderson 10.07 & Tom Perry 3.61 Scott Nicholls 9.72 & Rob Branford 3.94 Edward Kennett 8.30 & Jan Graversen 5.27 Kenneth Bjerre 11.02 & Tom Bacon 2.67 Or rip the current side up completely and sign 2 of the above and build around them Edited December 23, 2017 by Flappy . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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