NeilWatson Posted September 13, 2018 Report Share Posted September 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Bagpuss said: Depends which version of the six man format it is, the 1997 one was ok but then they came up with a version in 1998 with nominated heats throughout the programme which favoured top heavy teams and was garbage. Also worth pointing out that whoever comes up with whatever idea it’s still got to be voted through by the promoters collectively. http://speedwayupdates.proboards.com/thread/18332/birmingham-peterborough-challenge-12-2018?page=2&scrollTo=369918 Pairings 1 and 2, 3 and 4, 5 and 6 all meet each other in first nine heats, for 10-12 the pairings split up, 13 and 14 are nominated from the four lowest scorers, Ht 15 is two top scorers from each team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted September 13, 2018 Report Share Posted September 13, 2018 27 minutes ago, NeilWatson said: http://speedwayupdates.proboards.com/thread/18332/birmingham-peterborough-challenge-12-2018?page=2&scrollTo=369918 Pairings 1 and 2, 3 and 4, 5 and 6 all meet each other in first nine heats, for 10-12 the pairings split up, 13 and 14 are nominated from the four lowest scorers, Ht 15 is two top scorers from each team. That sounds very similar to the 1997 Elite League version? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New era Panthers Posted September 13, 2018 Report Share Posted September 13, 2018 3 hours ago, Bagpuss said: That sounds very similar to the 1997 Elite League version? I am sure you are correct and it wasn't a success then , this idea will just drive more people away , it's not a solution it's a call from the grim reaper. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted September 13, 2018 Report Share Posted September 13, 2018 (edited) 30 minutes ago, New era Panthers said: I am sure you are correct and it wasn't a success then , this idea will just drive more people away , it's not a solution it's a call from the grim reaper. I don't know, I quite enjoyed it. In any case, I think the main problem in attracting/keeping fans is not the format of the actual heats but the experience of the evening - at most tracks nothing to keep you or your family entertained before/between or after racing, or dry and warm. There's usually plenty of space - make use of it. Format only matters to those who are already fans. Edited September 13, 2018 by SPEEDY69 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TesarRacing Posted September 13, 2018 Report Share Posted September 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, SPEEDY69 said: I don't know, I quite enjoyed it. And thereby lies the problem for the BSPA and Promoters................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted September 13, 2018 Report Share Posted September 13, 2018 1 hour ago, TesarRacing said: And thereby lies the problem for the BSPA and Promoters................. Not really, because I think format is only important to current fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted September 13, 2018 Report Share Posted September 13, 2018 But it's only current fans that go and watch....no one else really cares or even knows what speedway is. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted September 13, 2018 Report Share Posted September 13, 2018 There are lots of people who've been once or twice and never again - the ones that I know was because it was boring for them or their children or nowhere to go to get out of the wind or nothing to do most of the time as it's only 15mins of entertainment. When the racing is also bad then that makes it even worse but look at other sports - when they're dull people still have a good time socialising and doing other things. All speedway offers is people standing around writing in programmes...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New era Panthers Posted September 13, 2018 Report Share Posted September 13, 2018 56 minutes ago, SPEEDY69 said: Not really, because I think format is only important to current fans. Where are you going to find the fans to bring new would be supporters when they are already declining because they don't like the said proposed package. Supporters come from past generations of supporters who introduce there family and friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted September 13, 2018 Report Share Posted September 13, 2018 10 minutes ago, New era Panthers said: Where are you going to find the fans to bring new would be supporters when they are already declining because they don't like the said proposed package. Supporters come from past generations of supporters who introduce there family and friends. Who says they have to come with someone else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted September 13, 2018 Report Share Posted September 13, 2018 I agree about all the boring nothing going on during the evening, it's part of many issues speedway has. First and foremost what mustn't happen is current fans that go week in week put off going. I've gone nearly every week for 40 years...up until recently...the last couple of seasons has seen me go to half a dozen. They need to keep the likes of me going an find new fans. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk127 Posted September 13, 2018 Report Share Posted September 13, 2018 3 hours ago, Baldyman said: I agree about all the boring nothing going on during the evening, it's part of many issues speedway has. First and foremost what mustn't happen is current fans that go week in week put off going. I've gone nearly every week for 40 years...up until recently...the last couple of seasons has seen me go to half a dozen. They need to keep the likes of me going an find new fans. Totally agree. I have been going since 1969 to various clubs/meetings and more often than not two or three times a week in the early seventies but now I pick the odd meeting at Ipswich and Mildenhall. It has lost its appeal and I really find it hard to relate to teams made up of a pool of riders. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted September 13, 2018 Report Share Posted September 13, 2018 9 hours ago, SPEEDY69 said: I don't know, I quite enjoyed it. In any case, I think the main problem in attracting/keeping fans is not the format of the actual heats but the experience of the evening - at most tracks nothing to keep you or your family entertained before/between or after racing, or dry and warm. There's usually plenty of space - make use of it. Format only matters to those who are already fans. Problem is presentation has gone backwards and become secondary compared to what it was (and that's not pining for the good old days. It's just that it wasn't broken and hasn't improved) and atmosphere is virtually non-existent. Yes it may be reasonable for big matches but for the bread and butter meetings it'd not take anyone's breath away. When you think that copious amounts of interviews are the answer then you're struggling! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New era Panthers Posted September 13, 2018 Report Share Posted September 13, 2018 6 minutes ago, Crump99 said: Problem is presentation has gone backwards and become secondary compared to what it was (and that's not pining for the good old days. It's just that it wasn't broken and hasn't improved) and atmosphere is virtually non-existent. Yes it may be reasonable for big matches but for the bread and butter meetings it'd not take anyone's breath away. When you think that copious amounts of interviews are the answer then you're struggling! The trouble with that at Peterborough is Craig Saul thinks it's a good idea to interview people when the bikes are on the way round to the tapes and if that doesn't drown the interview that bloody DJ will make sure he does with his over the top music playing right up to the green light coming on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted September 13, 2018 Report Share Posted September 13, 2018 1 hour ago, New era Panthers said: The trouble with that at Peterborough is Craig Saul thinks it's a good idea to interview people when the bikes are on the way round to the tapes and if that doesn't drown the interview that bloody DJ will make sure he does with his over the top music playing right up to the green light coming on. Said it enough times so I don't think anyone listens. Any PA announcements can't be heard in the stand when bikes are on track which is why no riders should leave the pits until the line-up has been announced. Haven't noticed the DJ tbh but doesn't bother me and seems ok. Can't say the same for the pre meetng interviews. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobydoo Posted September 16, 2018 Report Share Posted September 16, 2018 If Ulrich isnt fit or for Scott Nicholls one good option to guest in the play offs is Aaron Summers going well at the moment and for Tom Bacon maybe Drew Kemp should be contacted asap before anyone else grabs him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappy Posted September 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2018 11 minutes ago, scoobydoo said: If Ulrich isnt fit or for Scott Nicholls one good option to guest in the play offs is Aaron Summers going well at the moment and for Tom Bacon maybe Drew Kemp should be contacted asap before anyone else grabs him. How does the 8 day rule work if we choose Lakeside? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaggy Posted September 16, 2018 Report Share Posted September 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Flappy said: How does the 8 day rule work if we choose Lakeside? Same as usual I think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobydoo Posted September 16, 2018 Report Share Posted September 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Flappy said: How does the 8 day rule work if we choose Lakeside? Have to use them as guests when they can then the same must apply to Ben Barker also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukas Posted September 16, 2018 Report Share Posted September 16, 2018 I'd stick with Barker and Stewart..done ok so far.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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