NeilWatson Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 5 minutes ago, New era Panthers said: Your guess is as good as mine , how can any riders average change when they hav'n't ridden in any meetings between sets of averages issued ? Because there are two different ‘kinds’ of green sheets - immediate changes where there is a team change, a rider gains an established CMA rather than assessed etc, and the monthly revised averages which are issued based on historic data. It is complex, especially when there’s a mixture of rolling and assessed averages and team changes over the month-end. I’ll come back to this later and try and illustrate how Panthers recent changes were arrived at. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New era Panthers Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 18 minutes ago, NeilWatson said: Because there are two different ‘kinds’ of green sheets - immediate changes where there is a team change, a rider gains an established CMA rather than assessed etc, and the monthly revised averages which are issued based on historic data. It is complex, especially when there’s a mixture of rolling and assessed averages and team changes over the month-end. I’ll come back to this later and try and illustrate how Panthers recent changes were arrived at. Thanks Neil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szkocjasid Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 With the June averages Peterborough would have 7.10 to use if replacing Grondal - Kennet's June ave would be 6.85 (5.27 x 1.3) so he still fits (if he recovers before Grondal)! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimg Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 1 hour ago, New era Panthers said: So what does issue 9 04 / 06 / 18 have any meaning for or as it makes no sense to me and there can't be any other people who can understand it either. Rolling avs that will come in next period, trouble is as newer riders get their 4 H 4A, a new list is issued with their effective date ,and Panthers have at least twice, had Lunna in and not BWD, a right mess jimg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 12 minutes ago, jimg said: Rolling avs that will come in next period, trouble is as newer riders get their 4 H 4A, a new list is issued with their effective date ,and Panthers have at least twice, had Lunna in and not BWD, a right mess jimg BWD still at Worky according to the latest averages, maybe that signing has been undone, who knows ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 18 minutes ago, ruffdiamond said: BWD still at Worky according to the latest averages, maybe that signing has been undone, who knows ? Hardly, Camptons done at least two meetings since then. Dont confuse Team Declarations with Team GSA, although the BSPA Office are making a good attempt. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New era Panthers Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 35 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: With the June averages Peterborough would have 7.10 to use if replacing Grondal - Kennet's June ave would be 6.85 (5.27 x 1.3) so he still fits (if he recovers before Grondal)! which at this stage doesn't help as other team members averages will change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 51 minutes ago, szkocjasid said: With the June averages Peterborough would have 7.10 to use if replacing Grondal - Kennet's June ave would be 6.85 (5.27 x 1.3) so he still fits (if he recovers before Grondal)! Scott 7.74 Ulrich 7.41 Michael 6.68 Bradley 5.90 Emil 5.04 Simon 4.80 Tom 3.03 Team total 40.60 so 6.94 is the figure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 1 hour ago, NeilWatson said: Because there are two different ‘kinds’ of green sheets - immediate changes where there is a team change, a rider gains an established CMA rather than assessed etc, and the monthly revised averages which are issued based on historic data. It is complex, especially when there’s a mixture of rolling and assessed averages and team changes over the month-end. I’ll come back to this later and try and illustrate how Panthers recent changes were arrived at. Which is exactly why I bang on about 'team redeclaration protocol' To me it would make much more sense that if when any team redclares that all avearges are adjusted to the up to date figures including all meetings regardless of cut off dates 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 3 hours ago, NeilWatson said: Because there are two different ‘kinds’ of green sheets - immediate changes where there is a team change, a rider gains an established CMA rather than assessed etc, and the monthly revised averages which are issued based on historic data. It is complex, especially when there’s a mixture of rolling and assessed averages and team changes over the month-end. I’ll come back to this later and try and illustrate how Panthers recent changes were arrived at. What could possibly go wrong? That's not a go at you Neil but every time you try to explain it just clarifies why speedway now sits between netball and lacrosse in the sporting importance list. When you say two kinds of green sheets I assume that you mean the real ones and the made up ones that the powers that be follow. It has to be complex or fans would understand it and be right all of the time, that'd never do 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 5 minutes ago, Crump99 said: What could possibly go wrong? That's not a go at you Neil but every time you try to explain it just clarifies why speedway now sits between netball and lacrosse in the sporting importance list. When you say two kinds of green sheets I assume that you mean the real ones and the made up ones that the powers that be follow. It has to be complex or fans would understand it and be right all of the time, that'd never do If anyone is interested in what I've put together showing how the Peterborough team changes this season were calculated please email me at neil@peterboroughpanthers.co 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappy Posted June 5, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 2 hours ago, NeilWatson said: Scott 7.74 Ulrich 7.41 Michael 6.68 Bradley 5.90 Emil 5.04 Simon 4.80 Tom 3.03 Team total 40.60 so 6.94 is the figure That's a Kenneth Hansen sized gap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 7 minutes ago, NeilWatson said: If anyone is interested in what I've put together showing how the Peterborough team changes this season were calculated please email me at neil@peterboroughpanthers.co As long as you know what you're doing Neil that's all we need to know. It's the missing link of the last decade at the EoES. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 7 minutes ago, Flappy said: That's a Kenneth Hansen sized gap Think we'll need points away from home, and come to that he didn't do his job at home when he was last here either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukas Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 Josef Franc going well tonight and this season overall..could be worth a ring..we gotta do something before the weekend surely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New era Panthers Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 17 minutes ago, Flappy said: That's a Kenneth Hansen sized gap Considering the events following his last appearance for Panthers I think it's extremely unlikely that he would welcome a return even if we should make him an offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 11 minutes ago, New era Panthers said: Considering the events following his last appearance for Panthers I think it's extremely unlikely that he would welcome a return even if we should make him an offer. might depend on what you offer, it has been known that some people actually take bungs 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluTiger Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 15 minutes ago, ruffdiamond said: might depend on what you offer, it has been known that some people actually take bungs Why bring politicians into the discussion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New era Panthers Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 19 minutes ago, blupanther said: Why bring politicians into the discussion That's exactly why I did not reply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New era Panthers Posted June 5, 2018 Report Share Posted June 5, 2018 53 minutes ago, Lukas said: Josef Franc going well tonight and this season overall..could be worth a ring..we gotta do something before the weekend surely. I'm sure Ged will have some irons in the fire , it's been very quiet since news of Kennett's injury but that doesn't mean that nothing is happening in the background. We will just have to bide our time for now and hope we can pull another rabbit out of the hat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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