dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 Its certainly not the first time it has happened Sadly last years example at Ipswich springs to mind! Presumably until a newly declared team takes to the track the previously declared team remains the official 1-7 The grey area (isnt there always with speedway) would be where the replaced rider signs elsewhere starightaway *sadly for Emil not possible Its not impissible for example had Emil been fit that he couldve signed and ridden for another team before Kennett was injured - what then?? Could we have had the situation where Emil was named in 2 teams 1-7 with a facility for Boro?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 (edited) 27 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: Its certainly not the first time it has happened Sadly last years example at Ipswich springs to mind! Presumably until a newly declared team takes to the track the previously declared team remains the official 1-7 The grey area (isnt there always with speedway) would be where the replaced rider signs elsewhere starightaway *sadly for Emil not possible Its not impissible for example had Emil been fit that he couldve signed and ridden for another team before Kennett was injured - what then?? Could we have had the situation where Emil was named in 2 teams 1-7 with a facility for Boro?? That situation arose just a few days ago with Redcar, Thomas Jorgenson and Theo Pijper. (and no, a rider cannot appear in two 1-7s) Edited June 3, 2018 by NeilWatson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New era Panthers Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 8 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: Its certainly not the first time it has happened Sadly last years example at Ipswich springs to mind! Presumably until a newly declared team takes to the track the previously declared team remains the official 1-7 The grey area (isnt there always with speedway) would be where the replaced rider signs elsewhere starightaway *sadly for Emil not possible Its not impissible for example had Emil been fit that he couldve signed and ridden for another team before Kennett was injured - what then?? Could we have had the situation where Emil was named in 2 teams 1-7 with a facility for Boro?? Panthers , replaced him because they knew it would quite a while before he would declared fit so that doesn't really fit in this scenario ,but yes there could be a grey area there in another instance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 (edited) 18 minutes ago, NeilWatson said: This situation arose just a few days ago with Redcar, Thomas Jorgenson and Theo Pijper. In that case though Redcar are sticking with the redeclaration with TJ and ran a NL guest rather than use a facility and reversion to the previous 1-7 wasnt possible What wouldve happened had they wanted to revert as the new team going by the Kennett scenario was not yet the official 1-7 Edited June 3, 2018 by dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: In that case though Redcar are sticking with TJ and ran a NL guest rather than use a facility Agreed, my point was that Pijper was already declared elsewhere, so Redcar couldn’t revert had they wished to. Their use of an NDL guest WAS a facility (albeit the no-facility facility) - no other facility was available as Jorgensen hadn’t completed a meeting. Edited June 3, 2018 by NeilWatson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 I added a bit after you quoted - Sorry Neil! My point was Pjiper was still officially in the Redcar 1-7 until TJ rode or a facility was used for him (even a non facility facility) yet he was already declared elswhere as well Under the Kennett/Grondal principle they were within their rights to still use Pjiper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 In this situation you have to feel for Peterborough as its not their fault that Kennett injured himself before he rode for his new club. Their re-declaration is quite fair though you still feel a change on the cards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: I added a bit after you quoted - Sorry Neil! My point was Pjiper was still officially in the Redcar 1-7 until TJ rode or a facility was used for him (even a non facility facility) yet he was already declared elswhere as well Under the Kennett/Grondal principle they were within their rights to still use Pjiper That’s not correct, Pijper was not in the Redcar 1-7 once he was replaced by THJ - hence why he was free to be declared elsewhere. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukas Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 Massive blow losing EK as I fear we will not be able to find another rider of that quality on such a low average...on a positive note at least the championship shield progression is now in our own hands after Yesterday's draw at Workington. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 5 minutes ago, NeilWatson said: That’s not correct, Pijper was not in the Redcar 1-7 once he was replaced by THJ - hence why he was free to be declared elsewhere. By that Emil is not in the Boro 1-7 once replaced by Eddie if in theory Emil was then free to be declared elsewhere To reintroduce him then must need his 'permission' to re-sign and even if he were to be happy (no reason why not) surely you cant redeclare with an injured rider and expect a facility Dont get me wrong whats happening makes complete common sense but is directly in conflict to the Redcar situation IMO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 1 minute ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: By that Emil is not in the Boro 1-7 once replaced by Eddie if in theory Emil was then free to be declared elsewhere To reintroduce him then must need his 'permission' to re-sign and even if he were to be happy (no reason why not) surely you cant redeclare with an injured rider and expect a facility Dont get me wrong whats happening makes complete common sense but is directly in conflict to the Redcar situation IMO If we follow that path we will be ‘reverting’ not ‘redeclaring’ which is quite legitimate and doesn’t have the restrictions you suggest. Should Emil have already appeared in another 1-7 the option to revert would simply have not been available. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 mind boggling reading over the last two pages . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 1 hour ago, NeilWatson said: If we follow that path we will be ‘reverting’ not ‘redeclaring’ which is quite legitimate and doesn’t have the restrictions you suggest. Should Emil have already appeared in another 1-7 the option to revert would simply have not been available. You have said that Redcar didnt have the option to revert as Pjiper wasnt available (signed elsewhere) It could be said Emil isnt available as he is injured....... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappy Posted June 3, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 Porsing........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 (edited) 58 minutes ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: You have said that Redcar didnt have the option to revert as Pjiper wasnt available (signed elsewhere) It could be said Emil isnt available as he is injured....... Replied to wrong post Edited June 3, 2018 by Noodles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 45 minutes ago, Flappy said: Porsing........ Absolutely no chance 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New era Panthers Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 24 minutes ago, Noodles said: Absolutely no chance Great poser . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New era Panthers Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Flappy said: Porsing........ Maybe Kai Huckenbeck or Demetri Berge would be worth a phonecall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 Hansen in the frame again ? snap him up before workington do . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New era Panthers Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 1 minute ago, jenga said: Hansen in the frame again ? snap him up before workington do . Fingers burnt there already Comets can have him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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