geoff100 Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 Perhaps best to ask mr scunny for advice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New era Panthers Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 21 minutes ago, geoff100 said: So.does emil have to resign to redeclare or with him being sacked and he dont wont to resign do they get r/r for him. No teams can use R/R to cover for a rider that has never actually made his debut but they will be able to use R/R for Grondal when team is re-declared to it's former declaration , using the term sacked doesn't come into it , he has been replaced through injury. Asking Godfrey for advice ?. I don't think we will bother going down that avenue 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 38 minutes ago, geoff100 said: So.does emil have to resign to redeclare or with him being sacked and he dont wont to resign do they get r/r for him. Surely, if has to re-sign no r/r facility should be granted, as technically he has'nt ridden for them. Am sure the Panthers bosses have a few tricks up their sleeves, such bad luck tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 11 hours ago, Neila said: You can have klint from Workington !!! Think we will pass on that one 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 13 minutes ago, New era Panthers said: No teams can use R/R to cover for a rider that has never actually made his debut but they will be able to use R/R for Grondal when team is re-declared to it's former declaration , using the term sacked doesn't come into it , he has been replaced through injury. Asking Godfrey for advice ?. I don't think we will bother going down that avenue How can you re-re-declare,,, is that the same as having your cake and eating it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New era Panthers Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 5 minutes ago, ruffdiamond said: Surely, if has to re-sign no r/r facility should be granted, as technically he has'nt ridden for them. Am sure the Panthers bosses have a few tricks up their sleeves, such bad luck tho. See my previous post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New era Panthers Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 Just now, New era Panthers said: See my previous post 1 minute ago, ruffdiamond said: How can you re-re-declare,,, is that the same as having your cake and eating it ? No as it's reverting back to as you were , and many teams have done this over a period of several years. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 11 minutes ago, New era Panthers said: See my previous post Yes, I did see it after I posted sorry,,, thanks for pointing it out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 15 minutes ago, New era Panthers said: No as it's reverting back to as you were , and many teams have done this over a period of several years. There's rumours about Kus becoming available, might be better than 'Grondal r/r' ???,,, but get in fast before some-one does/might Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New era Panthers Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 11 hours ago, Neila said: You can have klint from Workington !!! I think he will last longer at Workington than he would riding for Panthers. I was surprised you signed him in the first place as when he gates and out in front he looks half decent but when he doesn't he couldn't pass wind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 9 minutes ago, New era Panthers said: I think he will last longer at Workington than he would riding for Panthers. I was surprised you signed him in the first place as when he gates and out in front he looks half decent but when he doesn't he couldn't pass wind. A bit like Kus then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New era Panthers Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 1 minute ago, ruffdiamond said: There's rumours about Kus becoming available, might be better than 'Grondal r/r' ???,,, but get in fast before some-one does/might Definitely a NO NO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff100 Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 But how can u sign a rider who is injured and cant ride and expect r/r for him its just plain stupid, esp when he was sacked replaced which ever way you put it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthegearbutnaeidea Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 1 minute ago, geoff100 said: But how can u sign a rider who is injured and cant ride and expect r/r for him its just plain stupid, esp when he was sacked replaced which ever way you put it. they arn’t signing him? what point of that don’t you get? they’re just undoing the signing of kennett 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff100 Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, allthegearbutnaeidea said: they arn’t signing him? what point of that don’t you get? they’re just undoing the signing of kennett The bspa have to agree the signing of a rider which they did so someone (emil) has to be for want of a better word undeclared sacked or replaced so he must agree to be redeclared or signed in order for the bspa to agree now i know i missed a bit of schooling when younger but its bloody daft for anyone to dump someone then expect them to come back knowing full well he cant ride because he is injured and to expect rival fans to think another fast one from mr rathbone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 'undoing the signing',,, might as well have just said, 'nah, we where only kidding really, lol'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, geoff100 said: The bspa have to agree the signing of a rider which they did so someone (emil) has to be for want of a better word undeclared sacked or replaced so he must agree to be redeclared or signed in order for the bspa to agree now i know i missed a bit of schooling when younger but its bloody daft for anyone to dump someone then expect them to come back knowing full well he cant ride because he is injured and to expect rival fans to think another fast one from mr rathbone. I fear you misunderstand the principle and practice of team declarations. I can assure you however that there is not a ‘fast one’ here (except the riders involved.....). Edited June 3, 2018 by NeilWatson 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 14 minutes ago, NeilWatson said: I fear you misunderstand the principle and practice of team declarations. I can assure you however that there is not a ‘fast one’ here (except the riders involved.....). tbf Neil,,, if the rules and regs were made simpler, it would be harder for folk to misunderstand them,,, unless there made out to be un-understandable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New era Panthers Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 32 minutes ago, geoff100 said: The bspa have to agree the signing of a rider which they did so someone (emil) has to be for want of a better word undeclared sacked or replaced so he must agree to be redeclared or signed in order for the bspa to agree now i know i missed a bit of schooling when younger but its bloody daft for anyone to dump someone then expect them to come back knowing full well he cant ride because he is injured and to expect rival fans to think another fast one from mr rathbone. You'll be telling us next it's Rathbone's fault that Kennett has a broken arm and Ged pre arranged it to happen. NOTHING has been done against the rules and this has been done by many other teams in the past so why are you picking on this now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted June 3, 2018 Report Share Posted June 3, 2018 23 minutes ago, New era Panthers said: You'll be telling us next it's Rathbone's fault that Kennett has a broken arm and Ged pre arranged it to happen. NOTHING has been done against the rules and this has been done by many other teams in the past so why are you picking on this now. You have to feel for the Panthers, after signing Kennett just at the right time (fitting snuggly to fill the 42.50 limit),,, then being undone by the lads injury. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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