hans fan Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Halifaxtiger said: I think you're right. While its a very reasonable point to suggest that Rathbone (with the backing of the SCB) has forced the BSPA to change an unfair and illegal rule, all it has gained Peterborough is a rider on a hugely inflated average. don't think nicholls (be had a good season if he gets anywhere near 8.5) is the problem with the team 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 1 hour ago, hans fan said: don't think nicholls (be had a good season if he gets anywhere near 8.5) is the problem with the team I think it will always be a problem if you sign a rider knowing his average will almost certainly drop by a point or more. The idea is to improve averages or at least maintain them. Having said that, Nicholls might not be the only problem. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 3 hours ago, Halifaxtiger said: I think you're right. While its a very reasonable point to suggest that Rathbone (with the backing of the SCB) has forced the BSPA to change an unfair and illegal rule, all it has gained Peterborough is a rider on a hugely inflated average. In isolation that's all Peterborough may have gained but since Holdergate the BSPA haven't been allowed to run in their usual unnacountable self interest manner, so in the longer term Rathbone's fights might benefit everybody. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 5 minutes ago, Halifaxtiger said: I think it will always be a problem if you sign a rider knowing his average will almost certainly drop by a point or more. The idea is to improve averages or at least maintain them. Having said that, Nicholls might not be the only problem. The mantra always was riders who want to ride for the club and riders who would improve their average. They've probably met the first part for 2018 but have seemingly been unable to overall meet the second criteria. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappy Posted February 25, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 6 minutes ago, Crump99 said: The mantra always was riders who want to ride for the club and riders who would improve their average. They've probably met the first part for 2018 but have seemingly been unable to overall meet the second criteria. But how many would've had offers from other clubs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 9 minutes ago, Crump99 said: In isolation that's all Peterborough may have gained but since Holdergate the BSPA haven't been allowed to run in their usual unnacountable self interest manner, so in the longer term Rathbone's fights might benefit everybody. I genuinely hope you are right but the fact that they tried to enforce this rule after 'Holdergate' doesn't fill me with confidence that they will now start to behave with a great deal more responsibility. Sadly, I think it will only be a temporary setback to the way they run things with Rathbone becoming even more isolated than before. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wealdstone Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, Halifaxtiger said: I genuinely hope you are right but the fact that they tried to enforce this rule after 'Holdergate' doesn't fill me with confidence that they will now start to behave with a great deal more responsibility. Sadly, I think it will only be a temporary setback to the way they run things with Rathbone becoming even more isolated than before. The Mafia have long memories and usually get their revenge on those that don't conform Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Flappy said: But how many would've had offers from other clubs? That speaks for itself really. I was just looking for the positive in the example and that's the best that I could come up with. Edited February 25, 2018 by Crump99 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stainlesssteelride Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 I think ged has got them by the short and curlies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 (edited) 22 hours ago, Halifaxtiger said: I genuinely hope you are right but the fact that they tried to enforce this rule after 'Holdergate' doesn't fill me with confidence that they will now start to behave with a great deal more responsibility. Sadly, I think it will only be a temporary setback to the way they run things with Rathbone becoming even more isolated than before. Well I hope that he's got fellow promoter friends with similar spirit because I imagine that the hardliners are less than happy and plotting to get even (3-0 can become 3-3 very quickly in Speedway World). It'll go one of two ways so one of us will be right. Edited February 26, 2018 by Crump99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 19 hours ago, E I Addio said: Swift action ? The AGM finished on 20th November 2017 . The SCB resolved the matter on 23rd Feb 2018. You seriously call that swift action? I'd call it appalling incompetence. You misunderstood - the swift action I referred to was by the SCB when confronted with what they could see was against the law. As far as I know they weren't involved until relatively recently. Not the BSPA, who seem utterly incompetent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badge Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 (edited) 35 minutes ago, SPEEDY69 said: You misunderstood - the swift action I referred to was by the SCB when confronted with what they could see was against the law. As far as I know they weren't involved until relatively recently. Not the BSPA, who seem utterly incompetent. Possibly when Scott waded in with lawyers and a QC or two they stepped in Pity now this has been overturned, people can't all do the same for the young guys starting out in the sport who can't get a place due to overseas riders,needing visas to ply their trade here, like Nathan greaves, Joe Jacobs and Ellis perks. They too might be multi British champs, good servants to the sport, if only they were given the chance. Edited to add, sorry should probably put the second bit of this post on the other thread Edited February 25, 2018 by Badge 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stainlesssteelride Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 (edited) Greaves is already a multi British Champion. Edited February 25, 2018 by Stainlesssteelride Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badge Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 33 minutes ago, Stainlesssteelride said: Greaves is already a multi British Champion. Think how many more he could achieve, if he too could earn from 2 leagues Just saying 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stainlesssteelride Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 I'm 100 percent in agreement, young English lad that has just had best season ever, and a crowd pleaser, now not given another chance in the the league that will help him improve the most. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 There is still a potential place at Newcastle for Nathan - It would be great if he secured that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wealdstone Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 I have given up all hope of a return to proper speedway. Seems little enthusiasm from management or most of the remaining fan base Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted February 25, 2018 Report Share Posted February 25, 2018 9 hours ago, Halifaxtiger said: I genuinely hope you are right but the fact that they tried to enforce this rule after 'Holdergate' doesn't fill me with confidence that they will now start to behave with a great deal more responsibility. Sadly, I think it will only be a temporary setback to the way they run things with Rathbone becoming even more isolated than before. Don't agree Chris. Only if Ged tries something on will he get opposition, abide by the rules and it's welcome back. Don't forget you have to work together every week in the background regarding fixtures , guests, etc, so no point in making it harder to cooperate with each other. Every team needs favours from the rest of BSPA from time to time, to resolve issues ongoing all year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 20 hours ago, SPEEDY69 said: You misunderstood - the swift action I referred to was by the SCB when confronted with what they could see was against the law. As far as I know they weren't involved until relatively recently. Not the BSPA, who seem utterly incompetent. It’s the SCB. Look how the sport is structured:- The ACU are the internationally recognised body controlling all motorcycle sport in the this country. They have delegated the SCB to run the sport of speedway on their behalf. The SCB in turn have delegated the BSPA to manage the sport on a day to day basis but crucially theSCB retain sole responsibility to initiate and interpret the rules, Thus the rule book is the SCB Speedway Regulations not the BSPA Speedway Regulations,. In fact the very first rule in the book says “Specifically the powers of the SCB are to produce these regulations and have SOLE RESPONSIBILITY for all or any dispensations” . The Buck clearly stops with the SCB. The BSPA drafted the proposed rules last November. The problem with Nicolls and Kenneth was known about almost immediately when Lakeside were told they couldn’t sign them. The SCB have responsibility for the rules, they knew or ought to have known what the issue was. The problem is the tail is too often allowed to wag the dog where the SCB and BSPA are concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yahoho Posted February 26, 2018 Report Share Posted February 26, 2018 Personally I am just happy I get to buy another panthers team shirt and support the team for another year. Its become a bit of a tradition now in the winter, to visit the annual "will we / wont we debate at the showground - but so be it. Heres to Ged for securing at least one more year at the Showground - if it stops, we all loose. Sometimes its good to remember that. I enjoy winning as much as anyone else, but am quite happy to rock along and see some familiar faces drifting round the boards for my fix. Personally I prefer the likes of Ostergaard and Lambert coming back each year, instead of some random Dane who couldnt care less. Team continuity is important to me - I hate starting a season and thinking "Who the hell are these guys?", "my team" is just a list of riders, I dont like it. Seeing Ulrich and Simon rock up makes me feel like someone other than me cares about the result of this meeting, instead of just being another rider out for a paycheque. Anyway, I digest. Heres to another season!! Panthers!!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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