scoobydoo Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 (edited) It never looks good when hardened supporters who have been going for years start to question if its worth attending anymore . Many on here appear to be paying public from back in the New National League days when good thrashings were the norm but still turned up on friday night to get there speedway fix. Edited February 21, 2018 by scoobydoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, scoobydoo said: It never looks good when hardened supporters who have been going for years start to question if its worth attending anywhere. Many on here appear to be paying public from back in the New National League days when good thrashings were the norm but still turned up on friday night to get there speedway fix. I guess the question most will have to ask themselves is what is most important entertainment or winning? If every home match was a thriller but meant the Panthers lost in heat 15 for example would people still attend? Obviously the danger is home drummings with gate and go speedway which could affect crowds although ironically a season of massive home wins doesn't have the same effect yet is equally as tedious to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappy Posted February 21, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, scoobydoo said: It never looks good when hardened supporters who have been going for years start to question if its worth attending anymore . Many on here appear to be paying public from back in the New National League days when good thrashings were the norm but still turned up on friday night to get there speedway fix. Things change over the years. Speedway for speedway sake doesn't appeal to me and it may not others 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Sings4Speedway said: I guess the question most will have to ask themselves is what is most important entertainment or winning? If every home match was a thriller but meant the Panthers lost in heat 15 for example would people still attend? Obviously the danger is home drummings with gate and go speedway which could affect crowds although ironically a season of massive home wins doesn't have the same effect yet is equally as tedious to watch. What matters is the overall mood around the place and the PR. If the team is doing well in the league then it matters little regarding the margin of victory or tight defeat (there wouldn't be many, if any, home defeats for a decent team), people will turn up (the second half of 2013 proved that although some of 2006 did the opposite!). What usually does Peterborough is the guff PR raising expectations before the usual defeats and bad PR (mostly on our travels) that just doesn't encourage people to attend to see the side amazingly return to form on their own dirt. Peterborough is well known for that mentality although I guess it applies in plenty of other places as well. As a club I'm not sure where we are at these days unfortunately but a team without regular, pressure race winners isn't the way to go. Edited February 21, 2018 by Crump99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tosh1218 Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 Not a panthers fan but why was the sign Scott Nichols at all costs the order of the day . He has been an exceptional speedway rider in his time there’s mmo doubting that but on a high average and his age I can’t see Scott going for the small gaps or big blasts round the outside . He will ride sensible and he won’t maintain his starting average , this then gave the panthers lower averages to play with the other 6 riders . Can see Peterborough in the bottom half of the table and how fickle there fans are can see it been a long season for the promotion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wealdstone Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 Whilst there has been anecdotal reports of the 6 point rule being overturned to my knowledge this has not been confirmed officially. The Mafia have of course adopted a ploy to fail to report or make public any decision which has gone against them, indeed in one instance they opted to pre judge a situation which could cause embarrassment .One could be forgiven for wondering if this is all part of the Mafia's determination to get their pound of flesh regardless. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheeliepanther Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 Been following this forum for years on and off, I get dragged back in the off season with so little news going about I have to resort to the rumour mill of the forum, why I do I just don't understand. It pains me to read some of the dribble that gets spouted on here but for me what I've noticed more is just the lack of respect for the riders who time after time put themselves in danger for an ungrateful public which most have never sat on a bike let alone had a go, I'd assume any rider just won't waste their time reading this type of forum. My next problem is how do you sofa experts know for a fact that 'x' won't improve his average and 'y' was rubbish so they have no chance, who knows what any of them have done over the winter with investing in equipment and exercise to improve fitness, everyone is entitled to their opinion but why does it always have to be so negative on here, who would have thought that Leicester was going to win the premier or Wigan beat Man City the other day that's the beauty of sport that things happen, I guess people will just say that I'm a happy clapper, I don't care. Have some respect for these riders that entertain your ungrateful selves and try supporting your teams riders even if the management don't make the best decisions. Ill wait for the attack and abuse that will no doubt come from the usual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 (edited) Nicholls on the face of it is actually a poor signing. It’s not a question of IF he’ll drop his starting average, it’s a question of how much. I’d say around a point minimum. But having said that, I’m pretty sure Ged has a plan and there’s more than one way to skin a cat. Nicholls won’t be the only one to drop his average so I’m fully expecting a Kennett or another heat leader to replace a lower end rider after the first set of averages. Peterborough will then look a much better outfit and will challenge IMO. Will be interesting to see how much ground they’ll have to make up and if there’s time to do it with fewer fixtures. I wouldn’t rule them out though and like I’ve said before, trophies are handed out in October not March. Edited February 21, 2018 by Arch Stanton 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wealdstone Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, Arch Stanton said: Nicholls on the face of it is actually a poor signing. It’s not a question of IF he’ll drop his starting average, it’s a question of how much. I’d say around a point minimum. But having said that, I’m pretty sure Ged has a plan and there’s more than one way to skin a cat. Nicholls won’t be the only one to drop his average so I’m fully expecting a Kennett or another heat leader to replace a lower end rider after the first set of averages. Peterborough will then look a much better outfit and will challenge IMO. Will be interesting to see how much ground they’ll have to make up and if there’s time to do it with fewer fixtures. I wouldn’t rule them out though and like I’ve said before, trophies are handed out in October not March. I certainly do not see Scott as the panacea to Panthers team problems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 A lot may depend on whether the league cup count towards averages.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 2 hours ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: A lot may depend on whether the league cup count towards averages.... They don't 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappy Posted February 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 8 hours ago, NeilWatson said: They don't Oh dear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panthers89 Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 Come on Flappy, you’re getting a bit tedious now, we know the team will be crap, but honestly, stop going on about it, what’s done is done, changes won’t happen, support the side that is put out, or move on, and keep it down on your way out. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappy Posted February 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Panthers89 said: Come on Flappy, you’re getting a bit tedious now, we know the team will be crap, but honestly, stop going on about it, what’s done is done, changes won’t happen, support the side that is put out, or move on, and keep it down on your way out. So happy clap? What's wrong with letting the powers that be know that fans aren't happy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panthers89 Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Flappy said: So happy clap? What's wrong with letting the powers that be know that fans aren't happy? Nothing at all, I’m not happy but it won’t make a difference, support the side even if you dislike what’s happened, once it’s gone, what will you moan about then? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappy Posted February 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 49 minutes ago, Panthers89 said: Nothing at all, I’m not happy but it won’t make a difference, support the side even if you dislike what’s happened, once it’s gone, what will you moan about then? See that's what winds me up about Panthers all this will they or won't they run each year. I get your point but if the people in charge don't get told about thingshow can things improve? This isn't a one off with team building..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 50 minutes ago, Panthers89 said: Nothing at all, I’m not happy but it won’t make a difference, support the side even if you dislike what’s happened, once it’s gone, what will you moan about then? A fair point in some respects but never the best of arguments! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, Flappy said: See that's what winds me up about Panthers all this will they or won't they run each year. I get your point but if the people in charge don't get told about thingshow can things improve? This isn't a one off with team building..... Out of interest, how long you been going. The will we wont we has only really been an invention since 2013. Wasn't too much before then apart from David Hawkins and the usual Horton's distress signals, often of their own making. On the big issues I think that you can shout all you want but those in charge do as they see fit at the end of the day (but I agree that there isn't anything wrong with voicing your opinion anyway). Last decent team build from the start must have been 2006 & 07, probably due to Bratley/Andersen, and the latter half of 2013 when Sullivan shook it up. It has been a dog's dinner since the drop to the lower level unfortunately. I know not why! We usually end up realising where we went wrong before playing catch up but that may not be an option in 2018. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All4back Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Panthers89 said: Nothing at all, I’m not happy but it won’t make a difference, support the side even if you dislike what’s happened, once it’s gone, what will you moan about then? He'll be able to devote more time to telling MacAnthony how to run Posh and the Lane's how to run the Phantoms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 43 minutes ago, Crump99 said: A fair point in some respects but never the best of arguments! Yes, but only if that was the only point in the arguement. It is very relevant as a reminder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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