89buttons Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 It’s all very well claiming at Peterborough we’re behind this that and the other but lakeside tried to sign nicholls and kennett months ago, were told sorry they’re not eligible for championship racing this (something I think is unjust and ridiculous I might add) but rather than sulk and get to nearly February without an alternative they said right what are we going to do then that’s messed our plans up.....put their heads together and signed Lawson/morris, similarly Lawson was going to Sheffield until this happened - Sheffield aren’t still sitting here saying we should be allowed so sign scotty or lakeside should have been so we can have Lawson - plans changed they were proactive got on the phone to lasse and brought him back i genuinely think it’s ridiculous that kennett and scotty and maybe Hans (although don’t know if he really would’ve dropped down) have been blocked, seems a pointless rule harshly affecting very few riders and achieving nothing, but it’s not like they’re not allowed to sign for just one club....it was the same for everyone, it’s equally unfair to move the goalposts 3 months later to benefit a couple of teams when everyone else has built their teams within the parameters set out. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 8 hours ago, New era Panthers said: No they were not permitted Ged was under suspension and Trevor Swales retired at the end of 2017 season. No information was received by the promotion from the BSPA AGM for well over week and any news of decisions made, the only way of finding out was through social media. So Peterborough were behind those that attended meeting on the outcome of the meeting, but that should not be used as an excuse why they are behind with team building. workington did not attend the meeting either , yet they have completed their team . maybe peterborough should join the new ish thing thats doing the rounds , its called communication to the out side world . oh and the even newer interweb thingy . no excuses for ignorance ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 (edited) It's pretty obvious the panthers are waiting for the rule change to be made official and then they can announce Scott and an other. The whole thing is yet another total farce.......perfect for speedway. Edited January 19, 2018 by Baldyman 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 i dont understand why peterborough are waiting for a rule change . its done them no good having great riders in the team , you have to cut your cloth to suit how fat you are . . one man cant win a team event , (apart from the 4s) home advantage an all that ..the governing body needs to make the rules (like they did) AND STICK TO THEM . HOW HARD CAN IT B ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylorj Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 4 hours ago, 89buttons said: It’s all very well claiming at Peterborough we’re behind this that and the other but lakeside tried to sign nicholls and kennett months ago, were told sorry they’re not eligible for championship racing this (something I think is unjust and ridiculous I might add) but rather than sulk and get to nearly February without an alternative they said right what are we going to do then that’s messed our plans up.....put their heads together and signed Lawson/morris, similarly Lawson was going to Sheffield until this happened - Sheffield aren’t still sitting here saying we should be allowed so sign scotty or lakeside should have been so we can have Lawson - plans changed they were proactive got on the phone to lasse and brought him back i genuinely think it’s ridiculous that kennett and scotty and maybe Hans (although don’t know if he really would’ve dropped down) have been blocked, seems a pointless rule harshly affecting very few riders and achieving nothing, but it’s not like they’re not allowed to sign for just one club....it was the same for everyone, it’s equally unfair to move the goalposts 3 months later to benefit a couple of teams when everyone else has built their teams within the parameters set out. Well said 89buttons, I totally agree , why should the rule change now to benefit certain teams!! If Lakeside were told it was a no go why they bloody hell should the rule be reversed now, its a farce !! I agree they shouldn't have been blocked in the first place but that shouldn't change now , it will depend how well you are in with the so called BSPA committee , if it benefits them and their teams it will happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 I don't think those that makes the rules have the plums big enough to say no the rules are staying as they are. We shall find out in very soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud panther Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 Hope Kennett & Nichols are riding in the Championship next season, because on their day, they are very entertaining. If it's not Panthers, I will still enjoy them when they ride at our track. It will also make teams more even, which should provide a close league. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 Most teams have built their teams as the rules are now so ALL teams should abide by them. IF they decide to change the rule to allow 6+ PL riders in, then changes CAN be made AFTER the season has started & after the rider to be changed has ridden a certain number of meetings of after a set date. That way, it is fair for all clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Baldyman said: I don't think those that makes the rules have the plums big enough to say no the rules are staying as they are. We shall find out in very soon. Certainly will, next Tuesday I Hear. Neither promotion was at the AGM for different reasons, so it can be argued the rest voted for something without realising they were chucking top British talent on the scrap heap and leaving teams understrength with no genuine no 1. U turns are all the rage in politics so why not BSPA. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, proud panther said: Hope Kennett & Nichols are riding in the Championship next season, because on their day, they are very entertaining. If it's not Panthers, I will still enjoy them when they ride at our track. It will also make teams more even, which should provide a close league. so just how do they/you determine the top league from the 2nd tier league in speedway when all the riders are the same in both leagues ? and then there is a small matter of scott being a presenter on B.T. sports when the G.P.s are on and him being in the team in the championship on a Saturday night cant use r/r for a rider presenting speedway on the box , can you ? workington will be moving their race night when cookie rides in 2018 so it will not have any issues with fans wating to stop at home and watch one of Cumbrias finest . AHH , Scott Nicholls , the man that wont ride in the cold . bless . Edited January 19, 2018 by jenga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 33 minutes ago, jenga said: so just how do they/you determine the top league from the 2nd tier league in speedway when all the riders are the same in both leagues ? and then there is a small matter of scott being a presenter on B.T. sports when the G.P.s are on and him being in the team in the championship on a Saturday night cant use r/r for a rider presenting speedway on the box , can you ? workington will be moving their race night when cookie rides in 2018 so it will not have any issues with fans wating to stop at home and watch one of Cumbrias finest . AHH , Scott Nicholls , the man that wont ride in the cold . bless . So that leaves just Berwick and possibly Lakeside who will be riding on a GP night. I don't think it's going to be a major issue if he's allowed to ride in the Championship in 2018, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, jenga said: i dont understand why peterborough are waiting for a rule change . its done them no good having great riders in the team , you have to cut your cloth to suit how fat you are . . one man cant win a team event , (apart from the 4s) home advantage an all that ..the governing body needs to make the rules (like they did) AND STICK TO THEM . HOW HARD CAN IT B ? 1 hour ago, IronScorpion said: Most teams have built their teams as the rules are now so ALL teams should abide by them. IF they decide to change the rule to allow 6+ PL riders in, then changes CAN be made AFTER the season has started & after the rider to be changed has ridden a certain number of meetings of after a set date. That way, it is fair for all clubs. This is about fairness. There is no rule about 6+PL riders being barred from the Championship, Cook, Morris & Harris are three examples. The rule is unfair because it makes an arbitrary decision on whether you rode in that league the previous season. All riders are out of contract at the end of one season and start again with finding clubs - if the points limit is set to make it fair for all teams then the eligibility should be the same for the riders. I don't think the rule was made to penalise certain riders but it's clear that that is how it has turned out. A Premiership No.1 and also a GP rider can rider CL but Kennett, for example, cannot. It's simply favouritism and positive discrimination for those who can. Effectively, we're progressing to one league and as some have pointed out, as a CL side could actually have stronger heat leaders than a PL one! Edited January 19, 2018 by SPEEDY69 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, jenga said: so just how do they/you determine the top league from the 2nd tier league in speedway when all the riders are the same in both leagues ? and then there is a small matter of scott being a presenter on B.T. sports when the G.P.s are on and him being in the team in the championship on a Saturday night cant use r/r for a rider presenting speedway on the box , can you ? workington will be moving their race night when cookie rides in 2018 so it will not have any issues with fans wating to stop at home and watch one of Cumbrias finest . AHH , Scott Nicholls , the man that wont ride in the cold . bless . Is it just me who finds people who hold grudges several years later irritating? Also please let me know which second division teams that Tungate, Fricke, Vaculik, Pieszczek, Andersen, Iversen, Doyle, Batchelor, Thorsell, Kasprzak, Kurtz, Woryna, Szczepaniak, Holder, Jeppersen, Andersen, Lambert, Cook, Bellego, Masters and Musielak are riding for this year as I think I must have missed it Edited January 19, 2018 by Bagpuss 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 Totally agree Baggy - there is still a huge difference between the divisions. Yes it is narrowing a there is much greater crossover but it us still there. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octoberon Posted January 19, 2018 Report Share Posted January 19, 2018 I wonder whether this discrimination against Scot and Eddie would hold up at an Employment Tribunal. The precedent has possibly already been set with the likes of Morris, King and the like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimg Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 16 hours ago, jenga said: i dont understand why peterborough are waiting for a rule change . its done them no good having great riders in the team , you have to cut your cloth to suit how fat you are . . one man cant win a team event , (apart from the 4s) home advantage an all that ..the governing body needs to make the rules (like they did) AND STICK TO THEM . HOW HARD CAN IT B ? Yes I agree with you, If, the new rules were made at the end of the previous season, was carefully thought out, and discussed with promoters for their views etc, before being set, not just as an afterthought, as this appears to have been. jimg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 15 hours ago, dontforgetthefueltapsbruv said: Totally agree Baggy - there is still a huge difference between the divisions. Yes it is narrowing a there is much greater crossover but it us still there. there is a difference between the leagues , but not huge one sarj @ reserve for leeeceesteer and @ reserve for glaaasgooow . . only the odd one or two good prem stars that cant be in our league. but that could change if the powers that be cave in and then both leagues will be the same , except for the prem promotors charging more to get in for what is basically the same product . yes , there is a small gap , but not a huge one . there was a time when a good no 1 would make a reserve for a top league team . how things have changed .. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluTiger Posted January 20, 2018 Report Share Posted January 20, 2018 GED REINSTATED! Saturday January 20, 2018 We are pleased to announce that Ged Rathbone has had his promoters licence reinstated with immediate effect and will now be a full promoter for the 2018 season 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappy Posted January 21, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2018 Is that really news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted January 21, 2018 Report Share Posted January 21, 2018 Its January , team announcement in limbo , obviously no fixtures or other goings on - thats as real as news gets at this time.... 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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